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Will AI take your job?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Millions of admin jobs were eliminated due to the spreadsheet.

    No they weren't.

    A spreadsheet allowed the human to do their job more efficiently.

    AI, on the other hand, is going to be doing the job instead of the human.

    You really haven't thought any of this out have you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    AI is adding value already and it's implementation has really only started. The LLMs will get "smarter" every few months. Which parts are "muck"? I am using agents now for daily tasks and I find it transformative. I have become good at prompt engineering to be fair. The future use cases are endless. We are only at the beginning of the AI takeoff.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    a lot of ai sources of information are actually filled with mis and dis information, its sh1te, again, not all ai outcomes are sh1te, but a lot really is, yes future generations will be better, but again, some really is sh1te.

    and again, if these future generations of ai become extremely good, which they probably will, they could cause a significant amount of unemployment, and potentially very quickly.

    modern economies dont function very well with rapidly rising unemployment, covid showed us this, in order to maintain some element of functionality in our modern world, if ai causes this problem, we will have to implement extremely radical measures to maintain this functionality, this would mean attempting to address rapidly growing wealth inequality, thats already underway, and would very likely accelerate under such conditions. if this doesnt occur, its very likely we would experience catastrophic economic crisis/crashes, due to the instabilities induced from the expansion of this tech.

    and if this rapid rise in unemployment occurs, whos gonna be doing all the consumption required to maintain economic momentum, including the use of ai tech?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Re misinformation, these days it's very easy to direct the AI model what knowledge sources to use (e.g. documents, websites, videos etc). Then it cannot make up stuff or bring in stuff that is incorrect.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    theres still a lot of ai slop out there though, but i do realise next gen will be far improved, but the issues mentioned above, are still issues!

    rapidly rising unemployment, and ai, wont work, not even for ai!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    The danger is that people may stop wanting more stuff and services and start becoming relatively content with what they have now.

    So far throughout history, technology has brought about productivity gains which means more stuff and services cheaper. Consumers, in turn, have responded buy buying more. We have vastly more material things than a couple of centuries ago and we are vastly more insured, educated, entertained, medicated than we ever were.

    Despite this, we still want more, and so there's jobs for everyone to provide this to each other. But there may be a limit to this, and we may see it with the extreme productivity gains AI will bring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The misinformation issues are already fixable if you configure your AI correctly or use the right one for the task you need. And the models will only get smarter.

    Today my colleague put a 100+ page PDF document into an AI engine and asked it to produce a 2 hour video summarising it. He will listen to it instead of reading it all. It will only use the document as it's content.

    I am not disagreeing with your other points. AI will cause huge chaos in the jobs market. We may well be heading toward some kind of UBI but I don't know who will be paying for all that.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im a major advocate for a ubi, but theres virtually no true consideration for such at policy level, our governments arent truly thinking of this at all, so if ai does cause a rapid rise in unemployment, our governments may effectively do little or nothing about it, and for some time, what then!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Our government couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery and have always shown zero vision or future thinking. They don't care.

    But I could see a day when disgruntled workers are attacking data centres. The AI agents will be hated way more than the immigrants in some circles.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we ve intentionally de-powered, and de-resourced our states ability to implement polices that actually truly benefit the majority, and prioritised the needs and wants of the minority, i.e. our states are now effectively useless, and it may not change with radial changes in government, but its virtually the only way, we currently dont have alternative structures to do what needs to be done.

    i do believe our governments do actually care, but are stuck in a para-dime, with fundamentally flawed ideologically beliefs, believing, that their polices will eventually work, in resolving our most critical of issues, such as housing, but its clearly obvious, they wont, i.e. they cant change, they cant see they wont work.

    thats very possible, in regards data centers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,682 ✭✭✭amacca


    In the past new tech tended to replace labour etc not all but a lot...some manpower was replaced

    Now what we are in the process of replacing brainpower....what's really left then ...where do we go? What do we have to offer

    Remember they are working towards a general intelligence...not a narrowly defined focused competence...something that can apply itself faster and more competently to any problem

    It could usher in a new age of abundance....it could decide we are not necessary

    Even take plumbing....the classic example...we now have untethered dancing humanoid robots that look to me as if the could pass a physical Turing test or whatever the physical equivalent is....I'm sure they could do the plumbing if the had the intelligence

    + it's not domestic plumbing an artificial intelligence may be concerned with...

    The more I think about it, the more I think we are playing with fire, call me a caveman if you wish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    The fact that society can get tasks done more easily is a good thing. If we have humanoid robots that dramatically cuts down the price of houses, as an example. It makes it much more viable to start a business too if you can more cheaply get the work done. If not then humans can be employed.

    The purpose of work isn't as a daycare centre for grown ups. It's to produce useful products and services that people value. AI and robots make work easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    When you can get far more work done with q couple clerical officers rather than 20 then it results in job losses. Some of the jobs were transformed, some eliminated.

    If AI can do just as good a job as a human then it's much easier and more viable to start a business if you don't hire humans. So set up your own business using AI if you find yourself out of a job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    If you believe AI is useless then you must believe jobs won't be lost.

    The economy is in a perpetual state of disruption, technology is always evolving. This is a continuation of innovation and new technologies being introduced, a very significant and powerful one in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No job was eliminated by an excel spreadsheet. So stop talking nonsense.

    With regards to AI, however, we have already seen the impact that it is having on low level coding work and that is bound to affect people's employment prospects. And when AI gets more sophisticated, it'll have a negative impact on higher level jobs too.

    And none of that is going to be pretty.

    It seems some people will have to actually lose their job to AI in order for the penny to drop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    Obviously jobs were lost due to the spreadsheet. If you previously needed dozens of accountants or clerical officers the spreadsheet made their tasks much easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No job was ever lost a spreadsheet and I've been working them since the 90's. It's a remarkably silly thing to say. A spreadsheet doesn't do the entire job of an administrative role. I work with spreadsheets every day and they aren't going to replace me. They simply help me to track data that I've gathered, but they're not going to gather that data by themselves or fill themselves in or track the progress of a project. I have to do that work.

    AI, on the other hand has the potential to replace, not just individual workers, but entire depts. because it will be able to do the actual work.

    The fact that you are insistent on trying to make a bogus comparison between something like an excel spreadsheet and something as powerful as AI only shows that you don't really know what you're talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    Ask Gemini 3 or another whichever one you choose whether the spreadsheet caused joblosses and come back to me.

    In the short term it displaced jobs before creating new jobs that added more value.

    Why would you still employ 100 people to perform a particular task when it only takes 10 people thanks to a new technology?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    You don't know what you're talking about kid.

    Look, die on this silly hill if you want. You're only making yourself look foolish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    @JM2300 wrote: "If AI can do just as good a job as a human then it's much easier and more viable to start a business if you don't hire humans. So set up your own business using AI if you find yourself out of a job."

    The problem with setting up a business is the same as the problem of finding a job in the AI era. What can you do that is wanted?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    A million things that businesses do right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    It's not even up for debate that new technologies have displaced jobs in the short term? Including the spreadsheet. They're just facts. Similarly the introduction of mechanisation displaced farming jobs. The economy evolved, new jobs emerged that added more value to the economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    OpenAI CEO Sam Altman recently revealed that he believes the first $1 billion solo startup will be built by one person with a laptop, an internet connection, and an army of AI agents. I have experienced GPT-5, and I now believe that this milestone will arrive significantly earlier than most people project, likely by 2028.

    The Billion-Dollar Company Of One Is Coming Faster Than You Think

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Will be done by AI in the future or more specifically, a small number of AI businesses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    If it is a very small number of people making a billion with a laptop, then I agree with you. But an extreme concentration of wealth is one of the negatives already predicted. It doesn't mean the unemployed average joe with average abilities who has been laid off will be able to make a decent living with a laptop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,221 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah I agree. I was just pointing out what the AI expert think in terms of the ability of AI agents in future businesses. They could do everything - development, marketing, accounting, sales, procurement, customer support, websites, HR, Legal, PR etc etc... The future is quite uncertain.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    An AI business that you van set up. There will never be a small amount of businesses, that's as ridiculous as the predictions in the 1950's that there would only be a few massive computers in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,533 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's not even up for debate that new technologies have displaced jobs in the short term?

    That's not the debate you and I are having. We are specifically talking about the spreadsheet, because you specifically said "Millions of admin jobs were eliminated due to the spreadsheet."

    Excel spreadsheets changed how work was done in jobs. But they did not eliminate those jobs. I cannot ask excel to do my job for me. I can only use it to make tasks within my job easier to do. But I still have to do the work.

    The case with AI is rather different. We're talking about the potential for AI not to just replace some tasks within a certain role, but to replace the human in that role altogether. And not just one human, but entire swathes of us. It's not just a reduction in labour intensive tasks within a given role that's at the heart of people's concerns with regards to AI, it's the elimination of human labour in that role completely.

    That is going to have some very, very, serious consequences with regards to people's employment prospects across a wide range of work in the not too distant future. And unless society moves to some kind of situation where humans don't actually have to work in order to live, then we're in for an immense amount of uncomfortable upheaval in the coming decades.

    Let me put it this way for you. The replacement of the horse drawn plough with the mechanical tractor didn't eliminate the need for the human controlling both pieces of equipment. It made the human's job easier and more efficient. However, replacing the human operator with an AI controller would be a very different prospect indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,782 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    If you categorise workers into 3 areas- Young New junior, middle aged experienced middle manager or Senior Manager- it’s the middle managers most exposed and impacted - it’s their jobs most at risk right now.

    Why? Well, the young new people will have certain skills to adapt - they’ll be utilising the AI tools - fewer grads might be getting traditional grad programme jobs - but those who are, will likely do well as they’re starting out hand in hand with the technology.

    Senior managers are decision makers - they need to understand the potential of the new technology- but they’re still needed at present, to direct and run the show and of course make decisions - there will be less of them in future - but for the coming few years they’re just about ok

    It’s the experienced “doer’s” most at risk - their years of knowledge no less their skills is now pretty much redundant or will be very quickly .

    The clever younger grads will make themselves invaluable by being able to do the jobs of many people by cleverly learning and using AI tools - they are the people who “might” survive - others definitely won’t - it’s time to learn how to unblock toilets and plumb washing machines because there will be a hell of a lot less jobs out there soon.

    As for the civil service- resisting technology changes via union enforced rules might help shortterm but governments will cop on - I’d say many world leaders are having wet dreams right now pretending they’re Trump and Musk driving a chainsaw through their public jobs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    Globally there were millions of admin, clerical, accountancy and many other roles which weren't needed due to the introduction of the spreadsheet, which first came into existence in 1979. Over the course of the 80's and 90's fewer and fewer people were needed to crunch numbers and manage data as spreadsheets made it far easier. New roles became available and companies evolved along with economies.



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