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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd6x3vv7y60o

    More on the positive developments around Pokrovsk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,921 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Oh jeez, I am shocked that some of our posters were wrong about russian control of Pokrovsk, they seemed so sure about it this time, those dastardly imperialists making them look like fools again.

    Maybe by new years?

    They can start pushing the BBC as fake news instead I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭purplepanda




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I don't think anyone has control of Pokrovsk.

    It's the front line/kill zone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Infini


    Thing to watch from this point out though is that the Russian Economy is likely going to be heading towards a tipping point in the near future, the cracks are really beginning to show in terms of economic damage and with Ukraine subjecting the Vatnik Degenerates to daily kinetic sanctions on their refineries there's going to come a point in which that damage is going to set off a cascading wave of failures across the Russian Economy. Already there's reports of parts of Russia not able to afford to pay the families of those they foolishly threw into the meat grinder. Russian Railways is risking the worst year of operation in history and the real reason why Trump and his degenerates are getting uppity lately is because Russia could be at serious risk of collapse and if it happens there goes their kickbacks and future bribes from their Vatnik enablers too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭vixdname


    As much as Id love this to be true, I'm dubious about believing any "Imminent" threats to russia.

    2+ years ago we were discussing Putins rapidly declining health and that he didnt have much time left , yet here we are, almost into 2026 and the b*****d is still going.

    We were discussing russias imminent issue of them running out of men, equipment and certain missiles, yet here we are, almost in 2026 and the scumbag is still bombing apartment blocks and killing civilians daily.

    We were also discussing Ukraines imminent frontline breakthroughs that would be the start of Ukraine finally dislodging the Orc hoard from its land and driving them out of all occupied lands, yet here we are, almost in 2026 and russia has gone from occupying 18% to 19.5% of Ukraine at huge manpower and equipment costs granted, but theyre still there.

    So please excuse me if I take any news on russians imminent economic downfall with a large pinch of salt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    If Ukraine can hold on another couple of years, Russia will destroy itself.

    Trump's term is up in November 2028, so hopefully the next president will be more supportive of them.

    I think oil prices will steadily decline over the next decade also.

    China's reached peak oil consumption and demand will begin to drop from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    You would imagine Ukraine will keep hammering away at this refinery and others.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    One idiot Tankie less and three Orcs end up in the usual hellhole prisons. A win all round.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    It's clear as day that Putin has all his chips on 1) China making sure that he stays in power and Russia gets what it needs to stay afloat, 2) Trump getting him the results he needs in Ukraine, and 4) a post conflict alliance of Russia, China, India and the US steam rolling Europe economically and wrecking havoc socially.

    Putin doesn't care about the 1,000,000+ dead and injured Russians. He doesn't care about how the tanking economy is hitting the serfs and the republics hard. He doesn't care about the current economic situation. He's gambling on Strong Men helping each other out and the cash flowing like never before once the Europeans are put back in their box.

    It's still very much in the balance which was things will go, no matter how s**t the Russian economy is performing right now. The central question will simply be - when Trump betrays democracy will the Europeans have it within themselves to get the job done in Ukraine and out manoeuvre Trump for the next 3 years?

    The next US Presidential election is absolutely critical. If the US voters double down on their regressive, ultra conservative and anti democratic choices, electing someone like Vance, then the globe is in big trouble. If they recognise the harm they've caused over the past 10 years and back a progressive candidate like Newsom, there is hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    This isn't the 1980s where all of the USSR's allies were skint nations like China, Cuba, North Korea etc.

    This is the 21st century where they have the ear if not outright backing of the two most powerful leaders in the world - Xi and Trump. China's wealth alone can make 'waiting out Russia economically' a case of bleeding out the West and filling the vacuum in the free-press West with destructive fake news stories on social media designed to destabilise the social fabric.

    Dissent is not permitted in autocratic states like Russia and China, so their strong man leaders have all the time in the world to wait things out as long as their backers are not being made to suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    My hunch is that the US have told them that if they start causing havoc on the high seas, sinking tankers, that's the end of US support. Otherwise I'm pretty sure they'd have been doing it long ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Good point.

    They're easy targets. Easy to track also.

    Russia are protecting some of them but definitely only a small %.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    But is there a tipping point which is enough to actually end the war?

    Take North Korea as an example, they have a tiny economy with extreme poverty and starvation - but yet still put whatever they do have into military, produce missiles etc.

    We know that Putin is an admirer of North Korea, so it's quite plausible he would bring Russia to a similar place. He's already cutting social programs, while hospitals and other infrastructure are in disrepair etc. The elite will still send their children to be educated and live overseas - so no skin off their nose.

    North Korea is also hugely reliant on China, which Russia seems to be aiming for…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    But do they have the capability to go pirate mode, and seize these ships?

    They can't just hit them with a drone as that could cause an environmental disaster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    There's environmental disasters every day of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Do the Russians even have the expertise/parts to repair it, they need outside help,up until the war started outside contractors were doing alot of oil work for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Hit them when they're empty on the way back to the Motherland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Right, but it is contained largely to Ukraine and Russia.

    We don't want an oil spill off the Irish coast for example. Turkey weren't pleased when they hit tankers in the Black sea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    I know this is the Irish Mirror, but might not be far off the point?

    Have always thought IF ( When ) russia goes full on war against Europe we are a possible sitting duck to be attacked and used as a staging post to go at the UK and western Europe.

    And I do not subscribe to the usual - ah shur we are a small island off of Europe who would ever attack us OR shur the brits will look after us

    What the article is honing in on is:

    "Our joke of a Department of Defence is saying nothing, the Taoiseach Micheal Martin is saying nothing and the new Defence Minister Helen McEntee is saying nothing. We can thank our heroic Gardai that we have any information at all.

    The fact someone - most likely the Russians - sent five drones into Irish airspace to try and take out the Ukrainian President's Volodymyr Zelensky's aircraft is not apparently worth telling the people the truth about"

    One point of correction - from listening to podcasts on this it seems these drones did not move into Irish Airspace. They mostly hovered over the LE WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS in the Irish sea OUTSIDE our airspace

    Anyway my main point: In my view all the years, decades our governments have neglected the responsibility of defence of our nation. Just because you are neutral does not abdicate the government nor the country from building a proper defence

    EG - currently NO primary radar system, we have no clue of who or what is flying over our airspace in general



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Absolutely.

    To not be in NATO, and also unable to defend ourselves, is negligence for a rich country like Ireland. As an island we should have strong naval capabilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Steviemak7


    They are hitting empty tankers. In fairness to Ukraine they are not going to risk the PR disaster of a massive oil spill



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not sure anyone in the international community expects Ireland to join NATO. Calls for it usually come from hawkish, militaristic types (invariably right wing) who don't even like Ireland as a country.

    Besides, it would probably never get past an Irish referendum on the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    We've just increased our defence spending from 0.21% of GDP to 0.25% of GDP

    We ain't getting within an asses hair of NATO

    Our best hope still remains that the Brits hopefully decide that we are strategically important enough (for them) to defend.

    The 6 counties remaining in NATO might end up being the best bit of business Michael Collins ever did!! (I'm being flexible with the timeline of events here)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    The support that has kept them in the war for most of the last 4 years, much and all as we like to scoff at the yanks. Otherwise what's all the fuss about? It's funny being glib, but that's the reality of the situation. There's a reason VZ and the Europeans are doffing the cap to Trump every time he sneezes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The idea the metro is costing more than the actual budget given to the defence forces is a joke in itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    We've no idea how much support they've given in terms of intelligence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Can't be, we were told Pokrovsk had fallen weeks ago. The Russian MOD told us so!!!



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