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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,554 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    We know why that is. With this in mind It's hypocritical how some people are so exercised by discrimination against one group of people while happily uttering bigoted and blanket statements about others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    or that brilliant explosive pagers operation

    Glorifying War Crimes and the killing/injuring of innocent civilians really isn't a good look.

    It's pretty stark that no-one glorified anything Hamas did two years ago and utterly condemned it. Yet those Israel supporters who demanded Hamas be condemned without question are happy enough to glorify and champion IDF atrocities.

    That's pretty sick in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I don't know, I think it's very unlikely for an innocent civilian to be using one of those pagers that were exclusively used by members of a terrorist organization. And it's not a war crime to summary execute terrorists, all the rules that apply to military combatants don't apply to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    There were plenty of innocent civilians stood right next to those people.

    You seem to be unaware of the rules of war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭Cordell


    These people stood next to innocent civilians - put the blame where it belongs, with the terrorists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Were the 15 medics who were murdered and buried in their uniform with their hands tied behind their along with ambulances also terrorists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd bet given half a chance, there'd be a full justification given for the IDF killing that Downs Syndrome boy. Or the 1000 babies who didn't even reach their first birthday. Or Hind Rajab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,554 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You'd see the double standard about collateral damage if the killing of Israeli civilians was justified on the basis that there is an IDF facility close to a densely populated área of Tel Aviv. I bet the blame wouldn't be put on the IDF for putting civilians in harms way then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Indeed - presumably following the principles of that post, this from June this year is fully justified:

    Iran’s retaliatory strikes have killed at least four people and wounded more than 200 others in Israel since Friday, as a barrage of dozens of Iranian missiles lit up the skies over Jerusalem and Tel Aviv overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Ohhh is this your proof that virtually all experts that are telling us all that Israel is committing genocide are antisemetic?

    A video that could be from anywhere, showing people that could be anyone, with absolutely no context. Brown lads and people with guns is enough for @Cordell to justify mass warcrimes, civilians atrocities, and the dismantling of international humanitarian law.

    But no Cordell, even if this was legit, you can't start a famine, blow up all hospitals, snipe children, blockade aid, target civilians, kill journalists, and destroy a whole city of 2 million people just because terrorists exist in a place. They are warcrimes.

    How are you any different than those headbangers saying Hamas were justified to massacre all those teenagers at that music festival because some of them were in the Israeli army?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,680 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And it's not a war crime to summary execute terrorists, all the rules that apply to military combatants don't apply to them

    Can you provide a source for that please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭Cordell


    What you call double standards I call absolutely normal to treat differently terrorists organisations and it's members compared to IDF and Israel.

    Members of Hamas and Hezbollah have no rights. I've no issue with anything done to them. They are not entitled to do to others what has been done to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    What is your stance on the 15 medics who were murdered and buried in their uniform with their hands tied behind their back along with ambulances? These weren't terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    @Cordell your posts have to be some of the most ignorant and wrong I have seen on here, and that is saying something.

    Do you ever fact check anything before posting? Posting straight up lies does not do much for your "cause". You will have to do better.

    The pager attacks were likely very illegal. It is illegal to booby trap items that are disguised as civilian objects, that civilians might handle (which happened in this case).

    It was also likely illegal because it was indiscriminate. At the moment of detonation there was no way to know who was holding each device or who would be nearby.

    Also, if you decide to blow up a street full of people because a terrorist may be there, that isn't the terrorists fault for "standing next to people", as you allude to, it is the attackers fault for failing to adhere to proportionality standards in war.

    As I said, you hold the same intellectual space as those who say October 7th was IDF soldiers fault for being at a concert that so many civilians got butchered. It was, as it always is, the attackers responsibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm pragmatic, not ignorant. You cannot fight terrorism legally, it's a losing battle from the start. It's easy to blame Israel from the comfort and safety of your home, you're not the one under constant threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You still have yet to provide any evidence to back up the random video you posted, your claim that the patients that were murdered in a hospital were terrorists and you also conveniently ignore my questions about the 15 medics who were murdered and buried in a mass grave.

    What would you call the actions of the IDF in that instance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Your posts excuse/support warcrimes and ethnic cleansing against civilians, whilst you slander those who have reviewed the mountains of evidence and declared a genocide as "antisemetic" (an awful slur), despite you yourself never having seen any proof of this, and having absolutely no clue about international law.

    Pragmatism doesn't come into it - your posts are either ignorant (i.e you haven't a clue what you are talking about), or you are intentionally lying.

    And to reframe your so very hypocritical final statement, it is easy to explain away the mass murder of innocent men, women, and children from the safety of your home when you and yours are not the ones under that type of threat.

    If your children were blown up by another country because they thought, unbeknownst to anybody, a terrorist was nearby (we have our own on this island you know), I would doubt you would be so understanding for the cold blooded and criminal acts of the perpetrator.

    Your posts are no different to that lone Hamas supporter I saw on here about a year ago telling us the Nova festival massacre was justified as most of them were IDF reservists. And don't worry, I treated his posts as I do yours, with the upmost contempt.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You cannot fight terrorism legally


    Seems you're making a tiny bit of progress…

    If Israel had bent its will, its military might, its advanced technology and intelligence to defeating Hamas, you wouldn't get any dissenters here.

    But it was never about "defeating Hamas and releasing the hostages". It is all about annexing Gaza and landgrabbing in the West Bank, Lebanon and Syria.

    All the evidence is clear. Pro Israelis just ignore it because it makes a complete mockery of their stance and narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Of course, we know that Israel prefers the world doesn't see its dirty little secrets. The IDF has consistently lied only for the truth to come out and expose their atrocities and depravity.

    We are also well aware that independent journalists are still prohibited from freely operating in Gaza.

    Haaretz:

    Nearly half of all journalists killed over the last year worldwide were killed in Israeli army strikes across the Gaza Strip, according to a Reporters Without Borders report published on Tuesday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I wonder, do you consider a three-year old girl to be a terrorist @Cordell ? Or perhaps you think, that even though an agreed ceasefire is in place, that she was just collateral damage?

    Or perhaps I'm just talking shíte from the safety and comfort of my armchair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I suppose I shouldn't be surprised in the slightest. There are no depths Israel is prepared to go to and broadcast that it's sticking two fingers up to International Law.

    They really do not give a shít what they do or who knows it.

    And hear no donkey, see no donkey….

    An IDF officer told Israel's Kan broadcaster that the military is fully aware of and cooperating with Israeli settlers building new farm outposts in the West Bank, marking a policy shift.

    He said that since Maj. Gen. Avi Bluth took over Central Command in July 2024, a formal mechanism for establishing farms with the command's cooperation has emerged.


    • Seven Israeli settlers stole three donkeys from a West Bank village near Ramallah on Monday and slaughtered one of them, according to Palestinian reports and a resident who spoke to Haaretz. The resident said police and soldiers arrived later but claimed no one was at the outpost, and left the scene.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,680 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Do you not get it.? Cordell is happy with Israel murdering people but not anyone murdering the IDF or Israelis. It's that simple because he has said often that children and civilians are collateral damage even when we've seen that there were no Hamas anywhere near them when murdered. You couldn't make this stuff up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    The attention of the media has turned away, the zionists can go back to killing women and children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    You can fight terrorism legally. that's what every other country does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,445 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I don't even…

    Bin Laden's death and disposal of its corpse, was that all legal? There are many, many instances of countries using their foreign intelligence agencies to carry extra-judicial (euphemism for illegal) killings of their enemies. And guess what? The western world is a better and safer place because of that. You enjoy that peace and safety now, and countries like Israel did contribute to that peace and safety.

    Wild claims like Cordell is happy to see dead children is the reason I tend not to engage with you lads. And of course I tend not to engage with people who believe jews did 9/11.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭circadian


    What's with the music? Why didn't they have the original audio?

    Where is this? Is there any evidence that this is in Palestine?

    Oh well, a few lads with guns completely excuses the killing of 10s of thousands of people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭circadian


    C'mon now, we've had this dance before.

    https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule28

    It's a war crime. Extrajudicial killings, especially in medical facilities, are war crimes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭circadian


    You can't claim something isn't a war crime just because you've decided it's not.



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