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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Ireland hasn't had a fixing air search radar at sea since P31 or on land since Giraffe

    Can you explain what a p31 and a giraffe are….?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    P31 was an Irish naval vessel (LE Eithne). Came into service in 1984 and decomissioned/sold maybe 10 years ago. Less sure about Giraffe, but, as far as I know, a radar system used on land (mobile) or at sea (fitted on ship).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Giraffe Radar Systems built by SAAB recently supplied to Ukraine by Ireland.

    Ireland quietly delivers five radar systems to Ukraine alongside ambulances and de-mining robots - Euromaidan Press https://share.google/5merDkHflP1e65Jd3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭phester28


    Posts by poster Sand remind me a-lot of the banned writing style of brickster69. Totally Russian propaganda and unapologetic for the killing and invading war crimes done by russia on a daily basis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    That's important context and explains a lot.

    I genuinely find it weird how these 'anti-imperialism' accounts are always fine with the most oppressive regimes around, just because they're against the West.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,874 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    My son has persuaded me that it's likely there were no drones and that all these sightings are a sort of mass hysteria or misidentification.

    World wide, not a single one of these sighted drone has been shot down and wreckage recovered, not a single one has malfunctioned and come down, or bumped into wires or light poles and crashed and not a single drone operator has been identified and apprehended, despite the supposed 'targets' being highly sensitive with large numbers of police, military and security swarming in and around these sites trying to find the operators or wreckage.

    When the Finns apprehended that shadow fleet tanker, they found sophisticated surveillance systems, but no drones were reported to be found, yet the theory is that the Orcs are operating these drones from such vessels.

    So far, there is no physical evidence that these drones are real. I don't believe there is even any video footage to back up the sightings, either.

    I was fully on board with the whole Orc drone menace everywhere, but my son's research and ruthless argument has caused me to change my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,874 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    What's implausible is that the hundreds of military gendarmes guarding a nuclear sub base are such bad shots. All these military bases and no one can shoot straight.

    Here's what would have been possibly one of the best and most convincing drone events from Estonia;

    The drones appeared at 4:30 p.m. One was downed with an anti-drone rifle, Liis Vaksmann, Estonian Defense Forces Headquarters spokesperson, told Estonian outlet Postimees.

    No details have been released regarding the model of the drones or whether U.S. forces played any role in shooting one down. Vaksmann told the press that the downed drone could not be located by Estonian authorities and had not been recovered.

    Sounds convincing till the no wreckage found part.

    It reminds me of that 1960's TV series, The Invaders, where very annoyingly for the lead character, every time he managed to kill an alien or it had a fatal accident, the body just dematerialised in seconds, leaving no evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,629 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's all very odd

    Sand, if indeed it is the same poster, used to be right wing in the past. He supported the second Iraq war and was a defender of American meddling in South America



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Report of a power cut in Belgorod due to putin's terrorists dropping a bomb on their own territory again. Just a reminder to everyone why being part of putin's terrorist state is not a good idea.

    Also for the benefit of those that insist putin is now in control of the ruins and piles of rubble that was the town of Pokrovsk here is a screenshot from a video claimed to be recorded there yesterday.

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    A population of 60,000 before the all out invasion of Ukraine in 2022 have now been made mostly homeless for the cost to putin's terrorists of how many dead and injured?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    We have been and arguably still are asleep at the wheel on our security. In the 1990s we had 11,000 in the army, and then our population was 40% less than it is now.

    There is a tendency for states to assume that what worked before e.g. France in WW2, or Irish neutrality in WW2, will work again.

    Many European countries were neutral in WW2 but they were invaded by Nazi Germany. We had distance on our side. Also we were practically a Third World country lacking in natural resources.

    The situation is now very different. We are one of the wealthiest economies in Europe. Much American data is stored here. That makes us a potentially tempting target. Also the subsea cables, and the use of Shannon by the US. We also have the 10th largest zinc deposits in the world.

    Large zinc resources give Ireland:

    • Economic leverage (zinc is a strategic metal)
    • A role in European supply chains for metals needed in construction, cars, galvanization, batteries, etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


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    Ukraine sending an early Christmas present to Russia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    On the basis of this post… hearing THAT poster was banned is the reason I re signed up as a paid member. Has he/will he sprout up again. Of course, and I do have sympathy for the mods on here, but my conscience allowed me to become a paid member again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'd be suspicious of the 'mass hysteria' theory. Have you heard of this? Ghost rockets - Wikipedia

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's a scam though. There was never not enough food in Africa to feed Africans. Even the feed the world live aid concert. That famine was caused by war not a lack of food. Africa has a population crisis and this planet could do without a ballooning population. Aid to Africa takes away responsibility from African leaders and provides a rich environment for natives to just pump out endless babies. The model doesn't work not to mention the amount of nations who don't support European causes like the fight against Russia.

    Just look at African population charts over hundreds of years and see how it's exploded exponentially in the last 50. Madagascar is a great example and the nature on that Island is fast being eroded as a result.

    Redirecting all these funds to Ukraine will give a much better return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Germans got one near an airport, arrested the operator. Was apparently a hobbyist.

    Apparent footage above Brussels airport

    Some of them can also be misreported, police, officials, witnesses thinking they are seeing a drone but it being something else

    Also a lot of this seems to happen at night which means footage is more difficult. Relatively easy to anyone with a decent drone to buzz an airport and get away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    The apple doesn't fall far from the tree (though he does make one valid point: the EU policy is basically "let's wait for Russia to go bankrupt" and that isn't going to happen)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    Nigerian fathers try to have loads of children. It's a kind of thing with them. Studies show that the world can support 2bn 'comfortably'. We are now heading for 8bn. So…

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There is a difference between "is lost" and under control by russians, I don't believe the russian gains will be reversed to any great extent any time soon, but it also seems their control is questionable. They will throw more human lives at it until they actually have control.

    So, no Odessa for russia at the end of all this? That's a huge failure on their part and leaves Transnistria exposed and likely abandoned when putin pops his clogs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I think EU and USA are delighted to see Russia slowly killing itself.

    It may not go bankrupt but its' sovereign wealth fund will be used up in a couple of years.

    If we targeted their "shadow fleet", they'd use it up faster.

    Putin has ruined his own country for an unwinnable war.

    The EU will be free of Russian oil and gas by 2027.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Pat734


    I believe those drones in Irish air space will in time be shown as British ones, tracking what's going on and acting as security for Ireland. Ok, I can't prove this, same as everyone else. Will it be denied? Ha ha, course it will but I've no doubt about it unless someone can prove otherwise. I doubt very much that anyone can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Russia and US officially getting closer, Europe is now the outcast:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Economics101


    And Don Jnr is getting in on the act. If there is anyone worse than Don Snr, it's Don Jnr.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/07/us-may-end-support-for-ukraine-war-effort-says-donald-trump-jr



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Africa's population was quite stable until relatively recently. It's about double since the year 2000. There were more children born in Nigeria alone this year then the entire continent of Europe.

    The West's constant "plans" the last 50 years using our money has resulted in population growth out of control. The past is the past but more European countries should do what Sweden did recently especially with money to help Ukraine becoming harder to get. Redirect billions in Africa money to the Ukrainian war effort .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Yes, and whatever money we send should be earmarked for contraception and abortion.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I would like to think that the crew of a military ship would be reliable enough that if there was a sighting of multiple drones with running lights orbiting the ship, it would have been confirmed and verified by additional personnel simply because that’s the way the military do things, let alone have military-trained people suffer from “hysteria”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Here's an idea for change Denys. Draft dodgers like you go back and help your country. Huge numbers are needed and the majority will be nowhere near the front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    When he says Russia was far less corrupt than Ukraine, that is ridiculous.

    The only thing I agree with Don Jr on is about Spain only spending 2.2% on defence. That is a mistake.

    As for it going bankrupt "not going to happen" it happened twice in the 20th century. I think Belgiums current obstruction is a disgrace. If the Ukrainian economy collapses, we will have another large refugee crisis, and the Russian pattern of attrocities we have already seen in Bucha and the East will spread across the country, if not the continent.

    The Trumps have a very troubling foreign policy, reminscent of the isolationists pre-Pearl Harbour. I think Europe is going to have to realise that Trump means it. We need to invest in defence.

    Also, there is a problem that most of what weapons Europe produces are exported, about half to the Middle East. NATO is running out of TNT because so much of it went to Israel to destroy Gaza.

    Anthony Beevor the WW2 historian says on Sky News that Putin is "playing" Trump. He also says Russia sees "conspicuous cruelty" as a necessary part of war.

    Czech President Petr Pavel warning that a Russian victory would be like the Munich Agreement 1938.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Population of Ethiopia in 1985 40m - now 135

    Population of UK in 1985 56/57m - now 70m



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Echoes of Soviet "punishment by deprivation" in occupied Ukraine with water shortages.

    The Centre for National Resistance - In a bizarre campaign labelled “anti-illegal water connections,” the occupation authorities launched mass raids across the region, ostensibly to sniff out unauthorised taps and temporary hoses.

    The Center for National Resistance (CNR) reports that over 14,000 apartments, 5,000 private homes, and 1,000 commercial properties were subjected to inspections.

    Officials apparently had quotas to meet for “detected violations,” turning a desperate attempt to survive days without running water into a criminal enterprise.

    Temporary hoses, improvised backup connections and pipes rigged to survive multi-day outages were all logged, photographed and in many cases disconnected.

    Even empty or “ownerless” homes were punished as if absentee residents were plotting rebellion.

    Upper floors of apartment blocks that had not seen a drop of water for weeks were not spared. Families simply trying to secure a minimum of household water were targeted.

    CNR analysts point out that these raids are a grotesque spectacle of the Russian occupation administration’s managerial incompetence.

    Rather than repair crumbling infrastructure, the occupiers opt for intimidation, turning a basic necessity into a weapon of control.

    In the USSR, The nomenklatura and politically reliable groups had access to:

    • special shops (спецмагазины)
    • closed distribution channels
    • better food and imported goods
    • better housing

    This created a hierarchy of access tied to political obedience. Dissidents or politically suspect individuals could be:

    • denied good jobs
    • denied housing allocation
    • denied ration cards
    • placed at the back of waiting lists


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Thanks for the details. Our criminal delinquency on defence, already morally reprehensible, is becoming a significant vulnerability for Europe. I hope somebody at EU level (maybe in tandem with our discreet friends in Britain) gives our leaders a harsh talking to ASAP.



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