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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Ok let’s dissect this and before we start, I don’t deny your point or that you’re incorrect.

    But if this is a genuine concern that we could hit innocent civilians then you’d wonder why they don’t have (or they do and don’t utilise it) an EMP to knock out whatever is a target?

    Surely we can’t be sitting and justifying not taking out legitimate targets for fear of what may be below?
    My point overall in my rant (and I’ve had some beers so forgive me) is that it is simply unacceptable that we as a state have absolutely nothing to deter or defend enemy actions regardless of intended outcome.

    Ireland just approved the LNG storage off of Clare, what’s going to defend that?
    we can’t keep going to Europe as Oliver Twist asking “please sir can we have more?” When it comes to defending us.

    We are either sovereign or not. As it stands, ive have absolutely no confidence in the state lasting more than 12 hours if we were to be attacked.

    8 Pilates trainers are not going to do a spit to anything it fired against.

    I believe we don’t even have armed helicopters? It’s absurdity at its highest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    "More than 650 drones target locations across Ukraine including western regions with sirens sounding in eastern Poland" Guardian Uk

    there will be millions of more ukranians refugees if the country collapses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    there is no mention of where the drones might possibly have been launched from and where they returned to . So is there a possibility that they could have been launched from a ‘ Russian friendly’ ship sailing through the Irish Sea and at the same time that VZ was flying in the erea, and if that was the case did the Irish nave have them tracked or better still have boats ‘accompanying them’ at a safe distance while ‘sailing past’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Pokrovsk and Kupiansk have Russians in them, but they have not been captured by the Russians. In Kupiansk, the Russian supply lines to those that have entered the city are very tenuous, they too are supplied by drone. In both places the Russians have attempted to bring up more forces, which were eliminated by drone well before their destination.

    Ukrainian withdrawal from Myrnohrad will involve losses, but it will be a while before the Russians control Kupiansk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Indeed. In World War 2 De Valera raised a Local Defence Force of 148,000 men. We were practically a Third World country then, but we are now told we can't have a large armed forces when we are one of the richest countries in Europe.

    In response to the various security threats posed during World War II, known in Ireland as The Emergency, a new reserve force – the Local Security Force (LSF) – was created on 28 May 1940 as an auxiliary police service. Instituted under a Garda Síochána Act, its activities were to be devoted to auxiliary police and internal security work. Recruiting forms were dispatched to Garda stations on 31 May 1940 and by 16 June of the same year 44,870 members were enrolled.

    On 22 June 1940 a decision was taken to divide the force into two groups;

    "A" Group – to act as an auxiliary to the Army.

    "B" Group – to continue as an auxiliary to the Police Force.

    By August 1940 the strength had risen to 148,306 and by October of the same year detailed organisations for each group were issued and District Staffs were formed. By the end of 1940 the Army had more or less completed its expansion to a war-time footing and was then in a position to take over the control of "A" Group from the Gardaí. On 1 January 1941 it was handed over to the Command and control of the Army and was given the new title of "The Local Defence Force"/"LDF" (An Fórsa Cosanta Áitiúil / FCA).

    The "B" Group continued as an auxiliary police force and retained its old name – "The Local Security Force" (LSF). From the military point of view the LDF was the equivalent of many additional battalions to the Defence Forces.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Politico says that EU has finally added Russia to a money-laundering and terrorist-financing blacklist.

    Silicon Curtain says what happened with the Russian drones shows Ireland is "miles behind where it needs to be" on drone defence, and that the political will to do something about it here is "patchy".

    It seems unavoidable that when we host the big EU meeting on defence next year, we will need to ask for assistance from NATO countries to protect it. Our leaders and in my opinion most of the voters are a bit asleep on this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    fascinating article about the slow demise of russia's massive rented shadow fleet - hopefully combined with strikes on oil refineries this can reduce russias budget for sustained war

    Russia’s shadow fleet begins to collapse as Ukraine expands maritime campaign beyond Black Sea

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/12/05/frontline-report-2025-12-05/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    CNN report now on Senate hearings on tens of thousands of Ukrainian children deported by Russia, including deported to North Korea for Russification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Well, the Russian MoD is saying they have captured it. The Ukrainian soldiers trapped in Mirnograd are telling journalists the Russians have captured it. And Ukrainian MPs are telling the Rada that Russia has captured it. Maybe they're all lying? Meanwhile the Russians are saying they are already advancing north and west of Pokrovsk.

    There is a denial narrative that re-occurs whenever a significant settlement is captured. 1. "They will never be able to take X" 2. "X is not surrounded" 3. "X has not been captured" 4. "X wasn't strategically important anyway". X is every major settlement between Bahkmut and Pokrovsk.

    There is a tremendous amount of propaganda presented by the Ukrainian side to try convince its backers - particularly the US - that it is winning, or that it can win. Recently, the narrative was India was going to stop buying Russian energy and that would destroy Russia. Back in August, the narrative was the Russia was running out of petrol and that would destroy Russia. Before that inflation was going to bring down the Russian economy. Before that, Russian banks were all going to collapse under the weight of hidden debt. Before that, the USD-Ruble FX rate was collapsing and the Russian economy would follow it. All this in just the last 12 months. All those narratives promise that victory is possible, if Ukraine can just hold on another few weeks/months and if the US will send just a few more weapons and a lot more money. And then they get quietly packed up when Russia doesn't collapse, and then the next narrative is unrolled and everyone goes with the next story.

    I don't blame the Ukrainians. They are at war, they are desperate, and they don't owe anyone a truthful account. But it is propaganda - up there with Ukrainian accounts that a grandfather shot down a jet with his hunting rifle (real story, reprinted by gullible UK papers) or that a ghost was singlehandedly shooting down the entire Russian airforce.

    The Belgian prime minister did something very unusual for an EU leader this week - he told the truth to the public when he said Russia is not going to lose the war in Ukraine: "But who really believes that Russia will lose in Ukraine? It’s a fable, a complete illusion”

    The reality is Ukraine is wreaked. Even if the war stopped right now, Ukraine's future is very grim - Reuters has run a story this week highlighting the demographic death spiral Ukraine is in. For every birth, three deaths are recorded. Life expectancy has dropped by 8 years for men since 2022. Millions of young Ukrainian men and women have left the country, and only a fraction will ever return. And the EU has no plan or solution other than more of the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Russian ministry of defence has often exaggerated its successes to Putin. This is what happens in dictatorships, where bad news can lead to the window or the tea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Moscow and your fellow putin supporters have been claiming this for months, your credibility is now pinned to it, any evidence of Ukraine urban control in Pokrovsk means you need to reevaluate your far right sources and beliefs and other posters can point this out freely.

    From a future perspective, the future of russia is capitalist china, putin will end up going down as the destroyer of future russian demographics and prosperity for a couple of their generations, they should be rich from resources and have built from soviet ingenuity (a lot of which was Ukrainian) instead they have fuel shortages, conscription and poverty trying to take destroyed tracts of land that is the attempted face saving fallback from the facile attempt to take Kiev.

    Honestly, the only thing more pathetic is seeing the regurgitation and wishcasting from far right blogs being repeated as its utterly obvious the posters have zero thoughts of their own.

    As a test, what of Odessa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,655 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say you engage in a tremendous amount of propaganda yourself. It's pretty shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    When you say evidence, do you mean faked AI generated images like Ukraine's 425th "Skala" regiment posted earlier this week on its social media portraying to show Ukrainian troops raising their flag in the same spot as Russian troops had a day earlier? The fake was so obvious that even the heavily compromised deepstate team came out criticising it as an obvious fake. That sort of evidence?

    There are multiple, independent, named sources on both sides of the conflict confirming Pokrovsk is captured. Dont trust me, trust them. Or dont. It makes no difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    During the Cold War, there were people on the Hard Left in Ireland who sympathised with the Communist regime in the USSR. Many have now transitioned into apologists for Vladimir Putin, which brings them into a strange alliance with the Far Right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭combat14


    and whats your plan .. hand over all of ukraine to putin and while we're at it the baltics, finland, georgia and perhaps poland to boot .. maybe he will call it quits then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That sounds a bit more nervous and face saving than your previous proclamation. While Pokrovsk is lost, the russian hold on it still seems tenuous and troublesome, hence all the proclamation being made by Moscow and pushed to their mouthpiece as it's quite embarrassing to have lost so many troops and equipment and not take a town after a year, as said, any evidence to the contrary blows away any of the little remaining credibility.

    And of Odessa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The fortress belt Ukraine built in the remainder of Donbass cost $1bn and has proven its worth against the largest armed forces in Europe. The ISW has estimated it would take Russia 4 years to take it at the current rate of advance.

    Beyond it is not much fortification. There is a small Russian advance in Dnipropetrovsk, a region that is an industrial powerhouse and unfortunately for its defenders largely flatland. I believe Putin wants the fortress belt, just like Hitler wanted the Czech fortresses in the Sudetanland, in order to have a free pass to take over the rest of Eastern Ukraine.

    Demilitarising the fortress belt, as proposed in the Trump (or should that be Dmitriev) deal would not necessarily mean the people of the region would not be terrorised by the savage paramilitaries like the Rusich group or Wagner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What's interesting is the lack of denying it, turns out the wannabe commies prefer an authoritarian hand to guide them and give them opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    There are two types of shadow fleet sanctions:

    1. European. This involves sternly worded letters.
    2. Ukrainian. Boom.

    Ukraine is telling its European friends that it has lost patience with the first option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭Citizen2011


    That’s more of a reason for the Russians to take Odessa to choke off these terrorists from sabotaging international shipping.
    the operation in the Black Sea has got the finger prints of the Brits all over it.
    I said it before the M15 and M16 buildings in London should be vaporised with an Oreshnik. I’d love it..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Russia stole and rigged referendums in 19% of Ukraine, and was blockading and bombing Ukrainian cities 24/7 for nearly 4 years. This doesnt include their illegal support for proxies and fake referendums at gunpoint in 2014-5. They have destroyed countless lives and stole peoples private property to reward Putin and his oligarchs.

    Bombing the Chernobyl plant is an act of criminality. Im old enough to remember the fallout reaching the Cooley peninsula after the last Chernobyl disaster. How anyone can support someone who would bomb nuclear plants escapes me. If Russia bombed Sellafield would they support that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Even you are now saying "Pokrovsk is lost". You've moved your goalposts all the way around to the other side of the pitch in just a short time.

    What of Odessa? If you are referring to the burning alive of 47 unarmed anti-coup protestors by regime thugs in 2014, I think that was an atrocity. The ECHR thought so too - Ukraine was ordered to pay compensation to the relatives earlier this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Authoritarian regimes do not have a modern European horror of war. For your average tyrant the killing never stops, a bloodbath on multiple fronts:

    1. Suppression of dissent.
    2. Power struggles within the regime.
    3. War with an external state.

    Saddam’s reluctance to admit he didn’t have viable weapons of mass destruction was in part because of his fear that elements within his own country would sense weakness. A small external war can be a blessing in that it unifies the country and, initially at least, suppresses the chance of coups from within the regime. Of course, that’s if things go well. Putin is past such a happy stage in Ukraine, unable to win and fearful of a peace deal that would discredit him with the hardliners.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Meidas Touch on youtube says that the US is quietly pressuring the EU not to use frozen Russian assets to help Ukraine. In the proposed Trump/Putin deal, most of those assets would go to the US, while about $100 bn would go to rebuild Ukraine.

    In an obvious conflict of interest, Trump would have a say in how those assets are spend, as he would be chair of the so called "Peace Council" in charge of the revenues.

    What weve seen so far with this administration does not inspire confidence when it comes to mixing foreign policy with business deals involving people in this administration personally. Also the Qatar plane gifted to Trump.

    Trump admin is also warning that NATO ties are at risk over the EU fining X.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Imagine using the Russian MOD as your source.

    Could you give us those other sources ? You keep repeating it but there's a distinct lack of you know... proof.

    Edit: A quick look shows you're full of it. Russia has claimed for almost a week now that they've captured the city and then when you look at it there's still actual fighting going on and Ukraine still maintains a presence above the railroad.

    Do you genuinely think nobody will check your claims ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I would recommend simply blocking Sand as an account. Starve the poster of the oxygen they need to pedal utter Kremlin nonsense.

    I would remind people that the same poster was on the Israel thread claiming that Iran had destroyed Israel, the IDF is a useless army, Iran was winning that war, Hezbollah was trouncing them, Israel was panicking and facing impending defeat, all Israeli attacks had failed and mighty Iran was defending against the Israel air force left right and centre.

    When pressed on their sources, they turned out to be Iranian state TV. No surprise they are quoting the Russian MOD and pro-Russian propaganda accounts this time around.

    It's a waste of time. There's zero good faith there, the account is simply a collossal anti-West crank who gulps down and regurgitates propaganda from the state TV of backwater dictatorships like life nectar and tries to dress it up as "realism".

    Hit that ignore/block button. The thread is the better for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Reports Germany has brought Israel's Arrow 3 System into service in Germany. It can intercept ballistic missiles in space.

    At 20 minutes into this video, 64% of Americans support increasing aid to Ukraine. Under Trump there has been zero aid all year.

    This is disgusting. Trump pressuring EU governments to block the loan for Ukraine secured on frozen Russian central bank assets. The EU Commission has said Ukraine will run out of money next Summer without the loan.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Feel free to check out the miltary subforum where the near complete lack of movement ever since the Commission Report was released in 2022 (not to mention the general laments) has become par for the course. Last month TD Gibney was pressing the part-time minister for defence (guess which countries in Europe don't have a dedicated one) to confirm that Ireland has no warships and no intention of ever buying one.

    The main reason the miltary knew about the drones is because they were flying around with their lights on. Ireland hasn't had a fixing air search radar at sea since P31 or on land since Giraffe. If they can't accurately track it, the main gun on the ship (if it's working... due to staffing issues ships have deployed with non functioning guns) isn't going to hit the target and the rounds will detonate god knows where.

    It'll take active external economic pressure at this point to change Irish attitudes to defence.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    I see France had it's own five drone incidient during the week. Despite engaging/firing at, no drones brought down.

    French-soldiers-open-fire-on-drones-over-nuclear-submarine-base

    Not implausible same drones from some shadowy ship (travelling from Irish Sea to Bay of Biscay)?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,230 ✭✭✭Field east


    22385 Can those Russian ships passing through the Irish Sea / other ships suspected of carrying Russian Illegal goods not be boarded eg check for drugs , sanctioned oil. The checkers might come across ‘a container of drones’ in their search

    The point I was making in my post no 22385 is to at least establish where they returned drones are being launched from or /and where they returned to . Shooting them down is ANOTHER ISSUE



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