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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭arctictree


    I'd say many of the worlds armies/navies are totally unprepared for drone warfare.



  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Electronic warfare sure and the yanks are primo at that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,316 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    On this forum there was a Putin appreciation thread - there are Putin supporters and apologists. They've been outed as such many times and they use this generic victim spiel a lot.

    Instead of re-evaluating their own faulty beliefs - many become bitter and start to blame everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I’d love to know how the government plans to handle this embarrassing situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Sweden will cut development aid to five countries, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Mozambique, Liberia and Bolivia and will redirect the funds to Ukraine.

    More of this from European countries please. Why is our money going to corrupt African countries who don't vote against Russia in the UN.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Putting aside that you're basing Ireland's support of Ukraine on two random rural TDs not saying something as somehow some sort of weird implicit cooling off on Ukraine.

    Cathal Crowe TD on Facebook who "failed to even mention Ukraines visit"

    "Here is the view from Seat D6 in Dáil Éireann (my seat) as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy began his historic address to a combined assembly of TDs and Senators today.This man and his people are under huge pressure right now - it’s starting to look like what could be a ‘peace deal’ for Russia could amount to a ‘capitulation deal’ for Ukraine. Vladimir Putin is a 21st century Hitler and the world cannot allow him to have his way - the surrendering of a huge portion of Ukrainian sovereign territory cannot be even considered and would only serve to further embolden Putin and his invading army.Sadly, I reckon that Ukraine will have to fight on. We know all too well in Ireland that surrendering territory doesn’t work and its hurt is felt inter-generationally. Partition doesn’t work!"

    If that's supposed to be half your argument that Ireland doesn't support Ukraine, it goes beyond scraping the barrel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    And all of it undone by the town of Pokrovsk still not being a russian controlled ruin.

    That's a weird take on it, just the usual 2 twits from PBP, even the president was on best behaviour.

    I do get how twitter pages will change over time as the battlefield stagnates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    More on the Modi visit, looks like more Indians will be going to Russia

    https://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1997088676724031575



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Your criticism on the main protaganist, Putin, is notable by its absence. All Russia has to is stay within its own borders.

    How many times has Russia been invaded by a neighbouring country in the last 100 years and how many times has Russia invaded a neighbouring country in the last 100 years?

    How many times have neghbouring countries assassinated critics on Russian terratory by spreading a neuro toxin or radioactive source which could have put hundreds of not thousands of lives at risk?

    You don't stop bank robberies by leaving the doors and vaults wide open and decriminalising 'liberating' money.

    You don't stop war criminals with no respect for international law, treaties or memorandums they have signed or fundamental human rights by accepting and making the illegal/unlawful things they do legal/lawful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Let those countries go to to Putin for aid as they seem to think highly of him and see how that works out .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,874 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is interesting for those who claim the casualty figures are mostly comprised of just those injured:

    The Ukrainian Review‬ ‪@theukrainianreview .bsky.social‬· 19h🇺🇦⚔️ Russia has deployed over 710,000 troops along the front line, - SyrskyiThe enemy side is losing about 1,000-1,100 soldiers every day, "and most of them are dying."

    I saw an interesting take on things a while back: guns and bullets are now nearly irrelevant; almost all killing and wounding is effected by explosive devices. Given this, it's easy to see how the normal casualty to death ratio truism has gone out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/06/pokrovsk-the-city-that-changed-the-war-ukraine/

    Inside Pokrovsk, the dividing lines of urban warfare have faded. In their place is a fog of suspicion, terror and chaos, with small groups of Russian infiltrators interspersed with Ukrainian defensive forces.

    The Russians slip through the gaps in the front line, dressed in civilian clothes or riding on bicycles. Drones reign in the sky. But from their dug-outs, Ukrainian soldiers have revived the Biblical practice of shibboleths – code-words difficult for Russian spies to pronounce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So thousands of Indians will fill low skilled job vacancies in russia and some might even replace Russians who will be sent to the frontline. In return Russia will try pay India in oil and gas. Best response Will be Ukraine hitting more Russian tankers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Ukraine really should have evacuated every single civilian including those who wanted to stay. It's creating doubt in drone operators minds and Russia are taking advantage of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Putin said in interviews in the early 2000s that it was between Ukraine and NATO whether Ukraine joined NATO.

    Ex US Ambassador to Russia in the Obama years said that when he was in that position, Putin demanded a protectorate over Ukraine.

    Russia has never been invaded by NATO but it has been deterred by NATO. Putin wants a free hand in Eastern Europe like Stalin.

    Before the war broke out, a poll (I think Levada Institute, which is not tied to the State but has been threatened with being declared a foreign agent, which always happens when Putin doesnt like you) in Russia showed 36% of Russians favoured the use of force to unite Ukraine with Russia. And that was before the war propaganda on State TV. Also the same poll said most Russians regarded Ukrainians as the same people as Russians, which hardly anyone in Ukraine (and likely far fewer now) thinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Europe needs to close its market including the job market to India, and force European companies who want to do business in the "fast growing emerging market" to withdraw perhaps? Super unpopular but this can't be allowed to continue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Also, the Russians do not make too much of an effort to recover injured. Ukraine has the use of advanced NATO med kits and can evacuate injured to medical facilities relatively close by, so they manage to keep the death rate down somewhat.

    But warfare has changed, you can be behind the lines near nobody and a drone just drops a grenade on you.
    I'm not sure that all armies have quite adjusted to this change with the speed that the Ukrainians have had to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Eurobarometer polls have shown 91% support for Ukraine in Ireland. But the Russian bots are working 24/7 with western names on comment pages. We see through most of the Russian propaganda but Russia knows what buttons to press in different countries. In the US its cultural issues, whereas in Ireland its neutrality.

    The Financial Times has included Russian propagandist Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of Russian state-run TV channel RT, in its list of the most influential people of 2025 in the Leaders category.

    Source: Detector Media, a Ukrainian analytical centre and media platform, citing the FT

    ………The piece on Simonyan was written by American author and journalist Julia Ioffe.

    Quote from Ioffe: "She is, perhaps, Vladimir Putin's most fiercely loyal messenger, his Valkyrie of propaganda. Unlike some of the older men towing the Kremlin's line, Simonyan never had a liberal phase, not even when she was an exchange student in the US.

    She was always a Putinist, which is why in 2005, at the tender age of 25, she became the founding editor-in-chief of Russia Today, the now multilingual, global Kremlin-controlled media network rechristened RT.

    After the full-scale invasion in 2014, she has called for even more extreme measures, such as using Russia's blockade of the Black Sea to starve the world into submission and detonating a nuclear bomb in the atmosphere above Siberia to paralyse the world's communication systems."

    More details: Ioffe also writes that Simonyan believes the West is "jealous of Russia" and refers to the UK as a "decomposed empire".

    …………….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Pokrovsk is captured by the Russians. Kupiansk too. The Ukrainians are in full denial to try save face with the US but they were caught posting obvious fake AI generated images to support their claim of still controlling the city. And the Russian capture has been independently verified by Bild.

    Julian Ropke ran a story a few day ago, having managed to get in contact with whatever remains of Ukrainian forces in Mirnograd, "Get us out of here, or take care of us". In it Bild reported that the last Ukrainian troops in Mirnograd had been reduced to about a thousand men and that they were physically trapped, with Pokrovsk having been captured. Apparently the only way supplies can get through is by drones, and its not enough.

    Bild also reported that the Ukrainian troops in Mirnograd were confused as to why the Ukrainian army hadn't broken through to rescue them yet. Seems like their commanders are lying to them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Thats an exaggeration and the fact Russia and its friends have to keep announcing it shows its more for affect than reality. The railway is not under Russian control, so they wont be able to use it to transport troops and weapons. Its true there is sporadic Russian presence north of Pokrovsk. Russia has increasingly used small detachments (a few hundred in Kupiansk for sabotage.

    Also Ukrainian sources say they now control more of Vovchansk. Success in parts of Kharkiv north of Kupiansk will affect the situation in Kupiansk itself.

    Putin is fortunate that the media in Russia wont dare contradict his version of events. But on social media the millibloggers sometimes have done so.

    Also Putin claimed to have taken Chasiv Yar last Summer and it is still contested. Pokrovsk though has a road to Chasiv Yar so if Pokrovsk fully fell, it would threaten Chasiv Yar too.

    Former commander-in-chief of Russia’s Ground Forces Vladimir Chirkin has openly acknowledged one of the Kremlin’s biggest strategic failures during the invasion of Ukraine.

    According to Chirkin, Russian intelligence assured the leadership that 70% of Ukrainians would support Russia, and only 30% would resist.
    But when the invasion began, reality proved the exact opposite — and this miscalculation helped derail the Kremlin’s dream of a “three-day blitzkrieg.”

    Chirkin said the Russian army “underestimated the enemy and overestimated itself,” leading to the collapse of the plan to seize Kyiv and the eventual retreat.
    He also recalled how former defense minister Sergei Shoigu tried to “save face” after the disaster:

    “Shoigu attempted to get out of the situation gracefully, calling what was happening a gesture of goodwill.”

    During his India visit, Vladimir Putin was unexpectedly caught off guard by an Indian journalist who asked a painfully direct question:

    What would he say to Russian-speaking Ukrainians who once trusted Moscow — but now ask, “Why is Putin doing this to us?”

    Geeta Mohan reminded him that many Ukrainians who spoke Russian, never hated Russia, and never saw Moscow as an enemy were shocked when Russian bombs destroyed their homes.

    Putin froze for a moment and replied:
    “I didn’t understand the question — shocked by what?”

    When she clarified — shocked that Russia bombed them — Putin defaulted to his usual propaganda talking points:

    • Claiming Ukraine was “destroying” those regions.
    • Insisting Russia was “forced” to invade.
    • Saying civilians could have simply “left” if they didn’t want to “be with Russia.”
    • Repeating myths about “open referendums.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The alleged secret daughter of Russia’s Vladimir Putin has apologized for her father’s mass killing of Ukrainians.

    Confronted on a Paris street, 22-year-old Luiza Rozova told a Ukrainian journalist she was “really sorry” for the war but, pressed to act upon her apology, insisted there was nothing she could do to stop it.

    TCH reporter Dmytro Sviatnenko cornered Rozova and told her that Putin killed his brother in a strike on Kyiv last month. He reminded Rozova, who complained of being filmed without her consent, that his country was invaded without permission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Accusing Ukraine of using AI is absolutely hilarious given we've all seen the Russian-made AI video of Ukrainian soldiers supposedly fleeing Pokrovsk, including one solitary leg that didn't have a guy attached and another one with 1 leg and 3 crutches. If Pokrovsk truly had fallen don't you think Russia would be shouting it from the roof tops ? Even TASS who love to make **** up aren't mentioning it.

    As for claiming Bild confirmed it: Julian Ropke (the same guy you mentioned) literally posted a tweet an hour ago of Ukrainians raising their flag in the north of the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The intent of aid is to help the least fortunate citizens of these countries, not their wretched rulers, although a lot of it ends up in the wrong hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    He reminded Rozova, who complained of being filmed without her consent, that his country was invaded without permission.

    These children of despots living it up in the West know their rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Ioffe also writes that Simonyan believes the West is "jealous of Russia" and refers to the UK as a "decomposed empire".

    Which explains why we all dream of gaffs in Moscow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Somewhat off topic but still holds some validity to the topic at hand.

    But in some ways I’m actually glad the drone incident has happened to us.

    We are absolutely feckless when it comes to defence and should ashamed of ourselves that we have allowed the country to reach levels that Collins would turn in his grave over.

    Instead of holding pointless inquiries and wondering why it happened, the question is already answered. It happened because we can’t be **** bothered in taking defence seriously.

    I can’t fathom why the navy didn’t shoot down the drones, it is mind boggling and the person in charge of that decision needs to be dragged to government building and made to justify this idiotic decision.

    Fast track this and that, but for **** sake, start taking things seriously and stop caring how the public views it.

    I’m sure there are countless countries that would throw their defence industry at Ireland if we requested it.

    It’s embarrassing.

    This pseudo neutrality is just pissing me off, we are one of the richest countries on the planet, have one of the biggest economies in Europe, one of the busiest airports on the continent and a sea area so vast to protect that it’s any wonder we haven’t armed the fishermen at this stage.

    No one is expecting nuclear powered subs to roll into Dublin bay but Christ can we for once get off of our lucky charms asses and invest.

    What is the point of our constitution if we can’t guarantee safety for animals let alone citizens.

    A total joke of a government and previous governments.

    I swear to Christ we need a charley haughey 21st figure to get in charge.

    Sick and tired of reading the embarrassment Ireland has become in foreign media.

    Fairly vocal publicly about Israel and the Eurovision but act like mice when it comes to a coherent defence vision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,384 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I can’t fathom why the navy didn’t shoot down the drones, it is mind boggling and the person in charge of that decision needs to be dragged to government building and made to justify this idiotic decision.

    There are a multitude of reasons why they would not be shot down, 1 of which would be what if the drones were flying ‘land side’ of the ship (between the ship and the shore), anything you fire at it which isn’t a direct hit on the drone is going to eventually come down somewhere (and kill anything it hits)…

    What goes up, must come down…


    Some poor fecker in Maynooth be sitting on their couch and a 50cal round lands in their front room turning snuggles the cat into an impromptu can of red spray paint!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Similar problem if you hit it,, the debris could land on someone, something, possibly causing fires etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Are you sure Sand? Has russia finally conquered the town of Pokrovsk? 12 months after the claim it was falling soon, are you and the other far right commentators finally in agreement that it has happened and Ukraine doesn't have control over some of the urban areas of the town?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    See this argument could be used for any shoot down.
    If that is the criteria we use when it comes to a military drone over a city or any residential drone then what’s the adequate response? Let it reach its target or destroy it in the hopes nothing happens on the ground?



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