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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Look, last word on this.

    What matters is the 'outcomes'.

    NI's are way behind even in the UK context.

    If you cannot grasp that then you really won't have a credible argument and will have to depend on myths.

    The 'NHS is a jewel nobody will be willing to leave' is NO LONGER a credible argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    @downcow you never answered when I asked you about what now seems to be DUP/TUV policy.

    People who work on the Hill tell me the atmosphere is particularly bleak at the moment. With members of a certain unionist party appearing to have been instructed to be as uncooperative and uncivil as possible to their colleagues.

    The logic behind this thran strategy is hard to fathom. They appear to be adopting the Trump playbook of making as much noise and causing as much damage as possible, but for what end?

    Do you know how this 'thran strategy' is going to make the current 'Union' attractive to those who will need to be convinced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Our outcomes appear worse again because despite our relatively small population, there are nearly a million people here on HSE waiting lists, some waiting up to 6 years. Out waiting lists would be even longer but for the fact so many people in this country pay for private medical insurance ( VHI etc ) as they do not want to be on a HSE waiting list.

    I never claimed the 'NHS is a jewel nobody will be willing to leave" but you think "Nobody has a problem paying for a system that works". You think not only will people in N.I. mind paying higher taxes for a U.I., they will not mind paying for a doctor, €100 for a&e, VHI bills etc

    And to show you are not credible, you think in a U.I. everyone will not have a problem jumping on a jet plane ( business class) to America for example for medical procedures.

    So the million dollar question is, as asked before - do you envisage in this great U.Ireland utopia (of yours and your fellow SF supporters) that Aer Lingus will convert their jumbos to all business class seating to meet the demand, and maybe buying a few extra planes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The depths of ridiculousness you need to stoop to is directly related to the myths you wish to indulge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It was YOU who claimed "Nobody has a problem paying for a system that works" and as you have claimed the NHS and HSE is not up to standard, you see nothing unusual or wrong with the ex-leader of the party you follow going business class travel to USA for his medical treatment.

    You think not only would people in N.I. not mind paying higher taxes for a U.I., they will not mind paying for a doctor, €100 for a&e, ever-increasing VHI bills etc. Your credibility is shot.

    As regards politicians "Getting abuse online, getting hassled in public, having your privacy invaded, and having your family targeted", there is nothing new in that, even in this country. Even not too far from home, one protestant FG politician was murdered by republicans during the troubles, his girlfriends house burnt down, and we saw during the last election the "awful sectarian abuse" HH and her family got.  



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That is what is important in any health system.
    'A system that works' for the people dependent on it.

    Not 'rocket science' as said.

    Best of luck depending on myths and some tenuous and shrill smartaleckry about Aer Lingus and long gone party leaders.
    That will mean naught to the professionals and those interested in building a system that works for all.

    Not replying to anymore smartaleckry on this tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Tell your colleagues when doing the costings / designing a health service in a hypothetical U.I., that (to quote your own words) "Nobody has a problem paying for a system that works" and the people of N.I. will not mind paying higher taxes for a U.I. health service, they will not mind paying as well as that for a doctor, €100 for a&e, ever-increasing VHI bills etc.

    And if that still does not work, everyone in your all Ireland socialist Utopia will be able to fly business class to America for medical procedures, same as the President of the party you follow did.

    When you have a costing done for that, come back and tell us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    All the guy had to do was sit it out and see how things go, but he is hell bent on his supremacist win and simply can't help himself.
    He takes a lot of stick online but dear me, he brings it on his own head.
    Would be pure comedy but he is a dangerous fool and winds his own up to the point that they lose the run of themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I don’t think there’s many examples worldwide of two neighbouring countries sharing the same system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Yeah, but in a hypothetical UI there wouldn't be two neighbouring countries.

    So perhaps turn the question the other way around; if the north is especially attached to its current model of healthcare, could they keep it in a UI? Can we find examples of a single country with two (or more) separate public health systems?

    Yes, we can, is the answer; real-world examples abound. Whether it would be a good idea in a UI is another question, in terms of service delivery, efficient resource allocation, etc, but it's certainly possible. So if attachment to the NHSNI is a barrier to a vote for reunification, then proponents of reunification could address that by proposing a reunification model that didn't require a single health service for the entire country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Great and positive development here and a prime example of sensible all Ireland thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Still not on any maps, and when "Ireland hidden heartlands" is googled it says the counties involved are Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford, East Clare, Westmeath, Cavan, North Tipperary, Galway, and Offaly. No mention of Fermanagh. So Irelands Hidden Hearlands was taking business away from Fermanagh, but is it now the case Fermanagh can pay a licencing agreement - which the other counties do not have to - and be included?

    Wonder will it confuse Hans in Hanovers homely heartlands on which country to come to for holidays, because he thinks of 2 jurisdictions- Ireland and Northern Ireland, each with their own currency etc. Hope it works, because despite Bord Failtes extensive budget and efforts the 2025 season was dead on the Shannon. I know someome who holidays there a lot and they said despite the good weather there were no tourists around and most of the hire boats tied up. Priced themselves out of it, he said. Quietest year ever.

    Despite a global increase in international travel in early 2025, Ireland overall experienced a 6.5% drop in visitors compared to 2024. The Hidden Heartlands was a region that saw visitor numbers decline a lot in 2025, following a decline in 2024 too.

    Think they should ditch the Ireland Hidden Heartlands branding, it is clearly not working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The enduring problem for partitionists and belligerent Unionists writ mega large in that post.

    To argue your case you have to be negative.

    Pretty uphill battle for you to be honest ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Just looking at the reality of the situation and the facts, something republicans like yourself were never good at. Ask anyone who worked in tourism along the Shannon what last season and the season before was like. The Wild Atlantic Way way a great piece of marketing : the Irelands hidden heartlands much less so, which is a pity, as they have a great product to market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The ‘reality of the situation’ is that Fermanagh is now included in the Hidden Heartlands of Ireland campaign of Fãilte Ireland.

    A positive thing which we will see more of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Not a positive thing when the marketing campaign Hidden Heartland of Ireland is such a disaster already for the actual hidden heartlands of Ireland.

    ( As noted already, despite a global increase in international travel in early 2025, Ireland overall experienced a 6.5% drop in visitors compared to 2024. The Hidden Heartlands was a region that saw visitor numbers decline more than the average Irish decline in 2025, despite the great weather of Spring / Summer 2025, following a decline in 2024 too.)

    Fair play for Bord Failte if they were to get money out of the Northern taxpayers to market the "hidden heartland of Ireland". I am sure when Hans in Hanover's homely heartlands thinks of where the heart of Ireland is, and he looks up a map showing the jurisdiction of Ireland, he will not find Fermanagh in this jurisdiction. Keep him confused, he may think it is just a language thing between Irish and English anyway. Get him to the heartland, keep him and his money here. ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Ironically enough NI 2125 might become the most Irish part of Ireland given the immigration into Ireland is only accelerating

    Since Demographics is Destiny we will become Eyeland. Expect us to look like the Yookay soon enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And you illustrate the quandary for the naysayers again.

    You have to focus on the negative and be dismissive on every single thing considered normal and sensible.

    From Irish language to tourism to health.

    Any erosion of that partition line has to be resisted such is the pathetic insecurity.

    I'd hate to be fronting that negative campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Lol. I am, and always was, for tourism and health. It is you who follows the party whose military wing destroyed tourism in N.I. for many decades, murdered industrialists like the German who wanted to invest there etc. The failed "armed struggle" did not contribte to anyone's health : in fact it destroyed the lives of many. As regards the Irish language, I had to study it every day at school in both primary and secondary school. That was enough for me thank you. You want to force more Irish on the population, at taxpayers expense. Enough said. The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    …and the need to be negative is adorned with selective bitterness about the past.

    Meanwhile the world is moving on in leaps and bounds. Nobody is forcing anyone, this is an 'agreement' between the tourism bodies because it makes sense and only belligerents and steadfast partitionists would have an issue with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Thread title is misleading. There wont be a N.I. in 2125.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Makes sense? It is already known the tourism market in the Hidden Heartlands of Ireland collapsed in the 2025 season, was well down on last year, despite the good weather, and last year was well down on the year before. Well done though to the "geniuses" behind the failed "hidden heartland of Ireland" marketing campaign to persuade the Northern / UK taxpayer to pay a "licence fee" (lol) to promote the "hidden heartland of Ireland", because as we all know the hidden heartland of Ireland is not in Northern Ireland.

    The Wild Atlantic Way was a great marketing idea : the Hidden Heartlands idea is not so good but Bord Failte has to be seen to be doing something to compensate those along the Shannon etc (in the heart of Ireland : Fermanagh is not in the heart of Ireland) for the loss of business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It is already known the tourism market in the Hidden Heartlands of Ireland collapsed in the 2025 season,

    Look, it's your credibility at stake here. Why lie or misrepresent the facts?

    Anyone who knows the data knows that 2025 only looks like a fall because the previous year was unusually high.

    'Collapsed'??? What a ridiculous, cling to anything, thing to try and say.

    Plus marketing costs money, why wouldn't NI contribute to something they clearly want to be a part of - the Ireland brand?

    😁 You would think they had been forced into this very sensible alliance to listen to you.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    2024 was a disaster for tourism on the Shannon. People blamed the weather and cost of living and prices and inflation etc, but then 2025 was down even on 2024, despite the good weather. Any boat owner on the Shannon will tell you that, the lack of cruisers being hired and used was very noticeable. That is the reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Tourism is subject to good and bad years. We know this.

    You claimed Hidden Heartlands had 'collapsed'.

    This is invented bullshit because your partitionist hive mind cannot handle any closer co-operation between NI and here.

    Get used to it, the next move will be the Wild Atlantic Way brand being applied across NI. Why? Because it makes sense and partition never made any sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Nothing to do with having "a partitionist hive mind", whatever "a partitionist hive" mind is?

    The reality is that tourisn in the Irelands hidden Heartlands have been going down for a number of years, and the UK taxpayer paying money to market Ireland's heart may help Ireland's heart , but it is dubious if there will be much bang for the buck in Fermanagh.

    The Wild Atlantic Way already is a 2,500 km (1,600-mile) coastal driving route in Ireland that stretches from the Inishowen Peninsula in County Donegal to Kinsale in County Cork. It is ALREADY the world's longest defined coastal touring route. Making it longer in either direction will not help. Some tourists are already complaining about it being too long, that they cannot see much of it in one holiday and they are afraid of missing the "best" part of it etc. If they want to improve it perhaps they could build some public toilets here and there along it?

    This is what someone else has to say:

    "What is it with the Irish and public toilets? On a recent visit to your beautiful country, the one major issue I continually encountered while cycling about was the lack of public toilet facilities. For example, while visiting one of the “signature points” on the Wild Atlantic Way, the stunning Downpatrick Head located in north Mayo, I expected the minimum facility one would expect at such an idyllic location was a toilet block. The nearest public toilets to this location was a 30km cycle, and then to find one of these toilets in the town of Ballina was a mission in itself as there are no signs whatsoever indicating where these toilets might be hidden.

    While in Ireland it was of interest to note that Fáilte Ireland are in the process of marketing the inner regions of Ireland. It is calling it “Ireland’s Hidden Heartland”. Surely they won’t endeavour to make finding the public toilets there even harder than it does on the Wild Atlantic Way?"

    Maybe the UK taxpayer instead of giving 300,000 towards Ireland's hidden heartlands should build a few toilets along the Shannon?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The positive, forward looking stuff is what will be noticed in the long run.

    The naysayers and belligerents will eventually be side lined and be made redundant. Not the first time they'll be on the wrong side of history.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Maybe they should fix their own too?
    You might need to lie down after seeking out another little morsel of negativity to help convince only you that closer integration is not happening.



    Why are British public toilets horrible and why are we closing them down?

    So I live near to a small village with a village green. Its a quintessential English country village with a village green, a little pub, and is quite beautiful.

    The one exception is the block of public toilets, that seem to have been transplanted from a dystopian nightmare nuclear wasteground. On the outside its a harsh concrete structure weathered by time, inside its dark, scary, dirty and stinky.

    For quite some time, the council was trying to close them down for cost reasons, and did actually shut them for various periods but the result was a vast increase in public urination / pooping behind the toilet block. Now they are only open when sports are being played on the green to save money.

    Why are British public toilets horrible and why are we closing them down? : r/AskUK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Precisely, they should keep their 300,000 to fix their own problems, like the pollution on Lough Erne, instead of giving it to a marketing department in another jurisdiction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That you don't have the first clue how government budgets work has been noticed before.



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