Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Any chance he has one eye on AFCON already?

A bit early maybe but possibly sees club season going nowhere anyway.

So disappointed last night. I think thats the last of my faith that he's the guy to lead us back to the top gone. Thats a piss poor WHU team and we were so complacent all night. I don't know when he'll be gone whether it's during the season or the summer but I'm certain we won't be starting next season with RA in charge

The most frustrating part is the league is so poor that the season is still salvageable if we acted now.

But we will 100% wait until the whole things turn completely toxic and the season is dead and buried. Probably give him a £100m to throw a wing backs too before flogging them for a few quid 18 months later and talk about financial constraints on new manager.

We’ve seen this movie before.

Despite what he says in his interviews he has absolutely no faith whatsoever in Mainoo so don’t know how anyone can be surprised he starts Fernandez.

Cunha and Mbeumo have regressed massively and instead of Bruno rotating with them we play him out of position.

I said it before but any system that depends on Bruno to work backwards and defend while Dalot and Dorgu expected to put crosses into the box is doomed to failure.

Strong words (since deleted) from Scholes on the Mainoo situation

Anyone thinking United are going to improve under Amorim is either an eternal optimist or seriously deluded.

He’s there a year. It should not be this bad after a year and 250m or so spent on the squad for his vision. It simply shouldn’t, and there’s no excuse for that being the case. The fact that it is should be grounds for dismissal outright.

His formation does not suit the squad, does not suit the players, and his insistence upon it is costing us points and games. His substitutions are usually ineffective. His mid-game tactical changes amount to a substitution in defence and hope it works. Any forward at the club is effectively played as a spare man. Midfield has been a black hole since he came in.

He is tactically clueless. Utterly, utterly clueless.

And for some odd reason, we seem to be, once again, the least fit squad out there. Why do we fade so often? Is it lack of fitness? Or is it because we don’t control games, we don’t get on the ball and make the opposition work because his game-plan doesn’t give us that?

A recent run of good form has been welcome, 1 loss in 8, is most welcome after a year of absolute crap. But even in some of those games, the opposition could easily have won or drawn the game, Brighton, Liverpool, West Ham, Palace, Forest, all of them could easily have beaten us as they absolutely swamped us at times. Credit to us that they didn’t in the end and we got the results, but there was times when we were being battered by them. And that’s been our very best form under him.

I don’t think INEOS should be shelling out money for Amorim’s vision. United are going nowhere under him, he’s not up to this level, there’s no point in investing in his vision any further.

And it says a lot about the state of United right now that we’re willing to accept this absolute farce of a manager simply because they don’t want to admit he’s been another failure.

Amorim has said from the start there will be pain. That’s acceptable, if it means the club is moving forward because of it. As of now, we’re not. He’s improved very little, and made a lot of things worse. And after 250m for his vision, a year of coaching, his much vaunted pre-season and time on the training ground, to make the same mistakes tactically and play the same poor football and lack the same basics, it’s time to admit the simple truth; Amorim is a poor manager, and United need to get rid of him if they want to improve.

Whether that means leaving him there for the season with no investment in January, and have a replacement ready for the end of the season, and let the new man make the changes or just fire Amorim outright, I don’t know, but I I’d be fairly sure that if Amorim is there next season, United won’t be doing much. As a manager and a coach, he's been remarkably poor, and after a year of pretty much the same every game, it's not going to improve.

There comes a time when it’s clear the manager is not up to the job, and that time has long come for Amorim. Give him the season, plan for someone else for next year, and in the mean-time let the club decide what style of football it wants to play and target players accordingly.

After a year of this crap, anyone still thinking he’s not a problem hasn’t been watching United under him.

"I get the frustration at Amorim, I really do, but we had 1 fit attacker on the bench this past 3 matches. That going to take more than 1 summer to fix, regardless of who the manager is."

Not sure that matters. The way his system is set up, the striker is effectively isolated anyway. I thought it was a Hojlund problem last year (albeit Hojlund was very poor), but even when he's played this season, Sesko has just been isolated, Zirkzee too. When you're going into games and you're effectively starting with 10 men due to the way you set up your CF, it's not going matter too much if there's no CF on the bench.

Once again, another blatant flaw in the system that hasn't been addressed after a year of it.

I don’t know how you could say having only one fit attacking player on the bench “doesn’t matter “ in a squad that’s struggling to score goals. As the poster said, everyone can understand the fans frustrations this morning but let’s not ignore the glaring squad issues he’s having to deal with .

It doesn't matter in so much that tactically, the striker is out of the game for the most part due to the way we play. Obviously having a fit front man helps if they can get into the box, but we lack balls into the box, so the CF is effectively a spare man tactically. And if that's how you're going to set up the CF, it doesn't really matter who he is or how many you have on the bench.

It also ignores the fact that there is options. Mbuemo can most definitely play up front (as he often did with Brentford). You could stick in Amad or Mount playing in the 10. Or push Bruno to 10 where he plays best and Mainoo in midfield.

But for some odd reason, he hasn't tried that either.

As for the different options, and cover, we could have in a 4-3-3 formation, well he hasn't tried that either.

That's the problem. His formation, and his team selection, leaves us tactically restricted in so many areas, and none more so than CF, where the CF is routinely isolated. Sesko has made the most of it so far (without setting the world alight either) because he's able to compete in the air for a knock-on, but that shouldn't be the limit of your CF plans.

Tactically speaking, his system is a disaster for the CF position. I reckon prime Brazilian Ronaldo would struggle to score in that set-up. And it's been a problem since he came into the club.

I would also say if he's going to be that inflexible tactically, or not willing to push up Mbuemo or someone else, or give a youth player a shot as other clubs do, then he doesn't have much grounds for complaint. After all, he's the one making the decisions.

Please no more 3 atb it's not suited to the squad.

Well the hope would be that Glasner isn't so feckin stubborn and work with what he has.

Google tells me that when at Wolfsberg he played in a 4231 at times so he's presumably not so inflexible.

Anyway it's just a thought. I'm pretty sure Amorim will be here til the summer at least. But given that we apparently offered the job to Tuchel who primarily used 3 at the back with Chelsea before we went for Amorim, the powers that be do seem to favour the formation.

But at least Tuchel showed some flexibility in his formations at Chelsea even if some variety of 3 at the back was most common:

Amorim has managed nearly as many games at United and hasn't changed his formation once.