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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,633 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    When you have tortured yourself enough dancing on the head of that pin attempting to justify a "kill them all" law, which is nothing more than a Trump dictate that has not even been seen by Congress let alone passed, it might be an idea for you or anyone else in the U.S. military to familiarise themselves with an actual law that was passed by Congress.

    In 1996 The War Crimes Act was proposed by Walter P Jones Jnr, North Carolina House Republican and was passed by the House on a voice vote and subsequently unanimously passed by the Senate. This Act amended title 18 U.S. Code to carry out the international obligations of the U.S. under the Geneva Convention to provide certain penalties for war crimes. Convicted under this law carries a penalty of life imprisonment or death if the conduct resulted in one or more victims.

    In case you are tempted to go dancing on that pin again, there isn`t a hairs difference between the U.S. Dept of Defense Law of War Manual and the Geneva Convention where both recognise killing those hors de combat as a war crime other than being convicted, where in the U.S. the death sentence is applicable.

    A few interesting aspects on this kill them all policy are now emerging. Contrary to you claiming Admiral Holsey U.S. Commander of Southern Command who resigned less than a year into his post after a Pentagon meeting with Hegseth and the Chair of the Joint Chief of Staff, that while it was possibly due to this kill them all policy, still ordered others to do so. It`s now looking increasingly likely that Hegseth, not finding Admiral Holsey keen on carrying out this policy bypassed him and got Admiral Bradley commander of U.S. Special Operations Command to issue orders to carry out these murders. Admiral Holsey is prematurely retiring in 10 days, but the really interesting thing is that since he tendered his retirement there have been no sinkings in the Caribbean and since that date the kill them all policy has moved to the Atlantic. Perhaps just one of those unlikely connected coincidences that when Admiral Holsey is summoned to appear before an inquiry will be able to cast more light on, including why he tendered his resignation during that Pentagon meeting with Hegseth and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    The other interesting fact - or to be more precise - a salutary lesson, is that when give an order or receive and carry out an order that contravenes the Geveva Convention the first ones off the sinking ship will be the big rats while doing their utmost to drown anyone else involved. Hegseth being the classic example where he is now attempting to put the blame entirely on Admiral Bradley for the murder of two people clinging to a sinking boat for somehow misinterpreting his "kill them all" order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,592 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Results appear to be in.

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    From R+22 lead to +6 or so.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I did say that the fact that the DOD manual and the Geneva Conventions matched wasn't a coincidence… Perhaps I may have been aware of the law in question? There are two separate issues at hand: One is the merit of the follow-on strikes. In such a case, the DOD manual and international law are near identical (I would note that the Act covers some but not all of the Hague declarations, though there may be some 'merging' involved over the years. You may check the details if you like). The other is the merit of strikes in the first place, which is where you are going to find the differences.

    Admiral Holsey announced his retirement on 16 October. Since then, there have been at least twelve strikes, five of which have been in the Caribbean, not counting the one on the 16th itself. Admiral Holsey commands SouthCom, so unless his organization is doing things without his permission, he's still conducting the strikes and the organisation is advertising it.
    https://x.com/Southcom/status/1989457355214409783



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Rawr


    And in Tennessee of all places too. Not badly done by the Dems, and should hopefully be a sign of where things might be going.

    (On an side note…feeling a little sorry for whoever "Bobby Dodge" is. Did he get votes from everyone in his village or something?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,592 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    And in Tennessee of all places too. Not badly done by the Dems, and should hopefully be a sign of where things might be going.

    I read that particular area was specifically jerrymandered to **** by the Republicans too, which makes the ground gained even more impressive

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,216 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,592 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    They aren't cabinet meetings. They are two hours of sycophantic ego stroking.

    Apparently, Noem thanked him for keeping the hurricanes away!!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,741 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    and yet, not a single European leader will stand up and tell him to **** right off with that nonsense…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭francois


    amazing that the cabinet and press core know he's in a stupified state, but completely ignore it.

    The US press corp absolutely fúcking useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭somenergy


    He knows they are quietly but he will be dead in a yr or 2 they are saving it for vance

    Rep have lost all respect in europe

    America is no longer a trusted ally

    Europeans are arming themselves with local supplier's



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,592 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Judge Napolitano: I worked with Pete Hegseth for 7 or 8 years at Fox News. This is an act of a war crime, ordering survivors who the law requires be rescued instead to be murdered. I think it's getting beyond politics now. The killing is out of hand.

    Imagine having a more right wing view, than Judge Napolitano

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,555 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    It's no longer a press corp. Yesterday they had Matt Gaetz and Laura Loomer asking questions ffs, as if they're journalists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,099 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Yesterday they had every Cabinet member taking turns to praise Trump. It dragged on for 2 hours and Trump seemed the be falling asleep. Rubio was last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,555 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Rubio was hilarious, he noticed Trump fell asleep so he started talking louder and louder until he woke up.

    Als Noem praised him for stopping the hurricanes coming during hurricane season. North Korea could learn a thing or two from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,161 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    they’ve had a few of them fluffing parties now. It’s not a functioning government it’s just empty vessels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,543 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Did this nonsense in Trump 1.0, too. Nowadays, that feels like it was yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    you can see it starting at 6m40 in this youtube… but the whole thing is hilarious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Ref the second strike, if it was just to sink the boat to get rid of a hazard to maritime traffic, that would be OK to me.

    Hegseth, however, made it clear in his statements [despite his claim that he left the stage of the operation after the first strike and had no hand, act, part or knowledge of the second strike] that the intent of that 2nd strike was to kill the two survivors of the first strike dead in the water regardless of whom issued the second order, ergo: he has no problem with a "nobody is to be left alive, no prisoners are to be taken" U.S policy in the interdiction of the alleged drug smuggling boats in the area.

    The purpose of the second strike [IMO] moves the strike and sinking policy beyond Naval Officers Authority to National Command Authority level on the basis that field command should not include such power. I believe it shouldn't rest on the shoulders of field authority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/02/eric-trump-american-bitcoin-stock

    Eric just another conman like his old man, just hasn't started on the bankruptcy trail yet but probably aware of how much Russian monies are in Trump Inc., via condo purchases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    More likely Melania and Barron slapping him about…….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,543 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The amount of mischief this admin is going to get up to with the "Trump Bucks" is pretty scary. Have to be invested in index funds - who chooses? How are the investments directed? And, really, $1000 for 18 years at, say, 4% average, is $2000. In 18 years it probably pays for a few happy meals.

    But, 18 years of noodling with Michael Dell's money, well, whatever funds get the money, they'll be happy.

    Oh, and who controls access to funds? How is the money guaranteed to be spent on nebulous 'education?'

    Just seems so wrong. Lots of better ways to spend $6.25 today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And once again, if this kind of **** happened last year with Biden it would have been hell on earth from the Trump fans. Rubio speaking while Trump slept was absolutely bizarre. Particularly since he emphasized Trump's leadership etc.

    I do think we're just watching a constant decline from Trump and I'd be genuinely surprised if he survives the term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,403 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    One of the main criticisms of Biden was the feasibility of entrusting the most stressful job in the world to an elderly man. Trump is only one or two years younger IIRC.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I wake up most mornings about 30 mins before my alarm goes off. I pick up my iPad, and before I open a news site, I have a little think to myself "maybe he's dead?". Sets me right up for the day. One day soon I'll be right, too, and that will be a day.

    And when he does go, the scramble to disassociate from him will be epic. Because it's all going to come out…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And while he doesn't drink, he has an incredibly unhealthy lifestyle including diet and not engaging in any exercise. I also still have open questions in terms of if he uses drugs tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,403 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's things we're just never going to know. Ever. That said, resources like Maggie Haberman's biography are immensely helpful. Trump has notoriously abused various substances such as speed and uppers. He also believes in the human battery theory and gorges on McDonald's.

    I'm actually surprised he's still alive, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,592 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I'm actually surprised he's still alive, honestly.

    To quote Billy Joel...

    "Only the good die young"

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The card and cap with the 45 and 47 on them is telling. He cannot let go of the failure of his fanbase not giving him the votes for the 46. Sad in itself that he cant see he's highlighting the biggest failure in his life.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The issue is that no reporting has said that Hegseth was consulted in between the two strikes. If I'm wrong, please point me to it.

    All I have seen is that he was claimed to have said "kill everyone" after being asked if the boat should be captured instead, before the boat was fired upon. However, people are acting as if Adm Bradley watched the first strike go in, called Hegseth (or turned to him if the claims that Hegseth was not in the room at the time are not correct), received a further order specifically to kill known survivors, and acted upon it.

    It's a pretty important distinction. The second case is certainly unlawful. The first may not be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Sure the second case was just Bradley following orders to the letter, 'kill them all' is pretty easy to follow. Had he been reminded by some politicians they he should refuse illegal orders he may not be in his current predicament.

    If the SSecretary of War didn't give a 'kill them all' order there most likely would have been no war crime committed.

    There's also little talk about who actually directly committed the war crime. I assume Bradley didn't take control of the drone to launch the second strike.



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