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Heat Pump Running Costs

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    2700m2 or 270?

    I presume the latter as 2700 is 0.6 of an acre 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭johndoe11


    Ah yes, it should be sq foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭JayBee66


    Do these heat pump things need yearly servicing? What can wear out in 12 months? And what's the price for a service and typical prices for replacing worn out things?

    Not being a plumber, I am loathe to have anything in the house that I can't fix or at least understand what the procedure is for repair to insure I am not being fleeced.

    I am once bitten and twice shy after being fleeced long ago by a Cockney plumber when I was over in The City, working for a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Got our first service a few weeks ago after 3 years. It's defo running quieter. They had to put 10 litres of coolant into the system.

    I wouldn't be touching it if you're not qualified. No doubt it would void the warranty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    There are varying opinions... Some people think it's a waste of money to where I think the €250 I spend for some one to check filters, pressures, flow rates, gylcol %, anode and general condition good value. It also part of 7 year warranty. The HP is an expensive piece of equipment that does a lot, no harm in getting it done once a year.

    Biggest problem is finding someone to do it!!

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Depends.

    Most new installs just use water instead of glycol as glycol actually hurts efficiency Vs water.

    Main points would be check system pressure, check/flush filters/mag filters.

    They might check working pressures of the compressor. - I'm pulling this data into home assistant on mine.

    There's not much more to do on it. There's not a whole lot more to it.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Would you be in a hard water area, not many actually have an anode in the DHW tank.

    I know it's for sacrificial protection for corrosion. Have you ever seen it replaced.

    We have a softener installed, has made a huge difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Yeah I have a

    Yeah I have my own well and I have a treatment unit and softener, but still every year is amazing the anode is worn down to a nub!! Must check the hardness again and maybe adjust the settings in the treatment unit. The additional cost for the anode is €50

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,732 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Looking into it a bit more, I know the physics/chemistry behind it, and for mild steel tanks it makes total sense, dare I say essential.

    My tank is copper currently so it's a non issue.

    But nearly all tanks now are stainless steel, and thus traditional anodes (Al or Mg) have no effect on stainless tanks. There is talk of powered titanium ones online but it stinks of marketing ****

    Nearly all stainless tanks you see here don't have one or even think of it.

    Parents have a stainless one in for at least 15 years, I'll let yous know when it leaks.

    My copper one is in even longer. It's not the most efficient for the heatpump but it will be grand until it dies. (I do need to add a de strat pump to it for the winter as the bottom third doesn't get much heat in the winter from the solar tubes.. while Im at it do I add a heat exchanger to it to make the dhw cycle a bit more efficient 😂)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Do you mean Heatmiser thermostats? I have a daikin system controlled of Heatmiser neo thermostats - you can have both set temps and timers. You just set the stats you want to be set temps to the same temperate for all time windows. If you want different temperatures at different times you can adjust the temp then at different times on other stats. I am doing this where I let say the office get cooler at night by a degree or so but some other rooms are kept at a constant temp 24/7.

    There are other options also for schedules and “recipes” but I haven’t needed any functionality beyond the above yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    December 2025 192sqm A3 rated house, UFH downstairs 21.5, upstairs rooms with rads at 19-20 degrees depending on time of day, UFH set to 22.5 degrees over night.

    Total 361 Kwh - Day 126 and Night 235 average of 11.7kwh and a max of 17.5 kwh (heating and DHW)

    Total cost for the month €68.72

    For ref Nov 24 was 497.7 units, cost of €93.67

    Total 2025 was 2,462 (Day 851 N 1,611) cost 436.79.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    245m2 house. Zoned into open plan downstairs with UF at 22 degC, downstairs bedrooms with rads at 20 degC, and upstairs bedrooms (rarely used) with rads at 18 degC.

    December usage was 584 kW.hr

    Total 2025 was 3605 kW.hr at a cost of €980.

    Still a bit of tinkering to do to get my system performing better (and costs down), but happy overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭EletricMan


    Is that total just for the heatpump? Similar size house and my usage is way more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Are these the air to water things ? Ye I've been told there not worth it as they are heavy on electric, I've storage heaters but hoping to change that for something else 🙏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭EletricMan


    Depends on who you talk to, if it's set up correctly and the house has good insulation and air tightness it's a great heat source, my house is extremely comfortable and always warm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    lots of posts here with people quoting monthly use and costs, should be easy to compare what you are currently paying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    @Dazler97 have a look at my post here for a few weeks ago about €630 per year for all heating and domestic hot water…will be considerably less next year as I have got a battery but thats another story….

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    I think it's like a over 6 euro a day or something for the 3 storage heaters but I do forget the air to water heats water too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Oh I will do for sure and what a battery ? That incase power goes or something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,925 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Yes backup power is one of the reasons and cost saving with load shifting ect, all electric house.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Ohhh that's something I'll look for as well , do we get grants for air to water or is that only for solor panels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭riccol1966


    My heat pump costs for Dec were 603Kwh costing appx €150. 16 radiators with thermostat at 21⁰ downstairs and 18⁰ upstairs, in A rated 180sqm detached house, Some folks here are able to get half this cost, most likely as they are using underfloor. Yes it's nice only having one bill but it's a big bill!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭zoom_cool


    Mine is a 200M2 house renovated with External wall insulation. UFH downstairs at 21 and Alu Rads upstairs at 18 total including Hotwater for December was 299Kwh because of battery load shifting this is about €30 for the month cant get cheaper than that I dont think. A 4 person family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Yep, just heat pump. Which incidentally accounts for ~ 60% of my total electricity usage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    140sqm semi. B3 2007 build.

    2 no. A2A heat pumps.

    2025 heating and cooling total: 1729kwh.

    Run on night rate, estimate of about €250 including charge/discharge losses.

    22 degrees up and downstairs.

    Post edited by JohnySwan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    December 2025: 270sqm A1 rated. UFH upstairs and downstairs zoned into 11 zones controlled by Heatmiser smart stats.

    Kitchen/dining/living and utility set to 22, play room 20, all bedrooms 20. Office 21.5 day (dropped to 20 at night) and hallways + an unused room 19.

    Total of 342kwh heating and hot water. I don’t have the exact breakdown on day/night but it would be over 90% night rate as I can get through most days on my 20kwh battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    That's great going , having ufh upstairs makes a big difference id imagine !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Worth noting to anyone here using heat pumps with radiators, there seem to be magnetic radiator fans that clip into the bottom of the radiators to help the radiator radiate out heat. They are supposed to work very well with the low temperature radiators and heat pumps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Thanks, we were away for 2 or 3 days over the Christmas and I dropped all stats by a degree but while it likely saved a bit it wouldn’t massively change things. One of those days I exported 17kwh also which means the solar gain would have given all the heating for the house for most of the day.

    The numbers are those reported by my heat pump but comparing to my overall usage I think it looks fairly accurate - I have a few Shelly EMs to go on key loads when my electrician is back for some other snagging.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,382 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Yeah the Shelly's are great integrate well with home assistant also.



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