Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Jesus.

There are very, very few countries worldwide who do not allow people to gain citizenship. And the reason for that is there are great benefits to both the states and the applicants.

I'd get into it with you, but as you invoked the very racist replacement theory I'm really not arsed.

Do a little research though. It's literally never been easier.

I don’t believe that there is some shadowy cabal orchestrating the replacement of white people - that idea probably does have its roots in racist conspiracy theories

That being said, it is simply impossible to deny that the native populations of many European countries are gradually being replaced. Look at London, white British are now a minority there, in their own capital city. This pattern will presumably continue on its course.

Some people might say “so what?” to that…but then these same people would go mad if the native population of Fiji or whatever was crowded out by big influxes of white Americans or Brits.
But the same happening to the native people of our small island is something to be welcomed for some reason that is never explained.

So you agree it is happening, fewer Irish kid's being born and people being brought in from abroad to fill the gap. That is what replacement migration is, I don't happen to think it is a good idea though, much better to encourage an increase in the number of Irish kids being born by providing better benefits for families, this won't work in all cases but it will work in some, I know some of my friends who would have liked a 3rd child but couldn't afford one due to childcare and housing expenses and having the mother out of work for too long.

There is no malevolent global elite orchestrating it, it's being orchestrated right in front of us by government and EU policies. It isn't a conspiracy theory it's observable reality.

What are the major benefits to Ireland (not to the people getting citizenship) of giving out citizenship in such large numbers? Please answer the question, you are the one who is claiming it is beneficial so back up that claim. In my opinion there really are no real world benefits as they can work and contribute without being citizens.

Again I didn't say nobody should be entitled I just said we should be more picky.

You essentially are proposing Pyramid Scheme economics which means continuous population growth in order to prop up economies, I would argue such policies are incredibly detrimental to the world at large and far more effort should have been put into things by economists, policy makers , politicians etc to change this way of operating .At some point population growth will have to slow for the whole world, what do we do then when the solution for the economy is just increasing population, it's just kicking the can down the road to be dealt with it in 50/100 years time rather than addressing the problem.

1 + 1 = 2

You take one Irish person, add another person from abroad, now you have 2 people. Nobody got replaced. Award that immigrant with citizenship eventually and you've got yourself 2 Irish people. Nobody has ceased to exist. Nobody has been replaced.
I worked in tech for decades. We were filling roles with immigrant workers (many of whom are now citizens) because we couldn't fill those roles with Irish people. It had absolutely nothing to do with replacement. Nothing.

We have a demographic crisis. It's the fault of many things, but not inward migration.
Immigrants will form a part of the solution to the crisis. Well, if they're not all scared off by the replacement theorists.

You essentially are proposing Pyramid Scheme economics which means continuous population growth in order to prop up economies, I would argue such policies are incredibly detrimental to the world at large and far more effort should have been put into things by economists, policy makers , politicians etc to change this way of operating .At some point population growth will have to slow for the whole world, what do we do then when the solution for the economy is just increasing population, it's just kicking the can down the road to be dealt with it in 50/100 years time rather than addressing the problem.

Nope. I'm saying we're facing the bleak prospect of population decline. Immigration can obviously help a lot but cannot and will not be a panacea.
I agree with you that much more should be done to make having children more attractive and affordable. But if you look at Scandinavian countries you'll see that this isn't a panacea either.

Your ideal country sounds a lot like Japan. **** all citizenship. Very low numbers of immigrants generally.
Their economy and society is not far off doomed, and a significant factor in that is their historic views on immigration.
Now the elderly in Japan present a massive and growing burden on the young and working aged population.
They've recently realised how stupid their policies have been, and have launched an array of schemes intended to encourage inward migration, but it's too little too late.

As for the benefits of citizenship, here's what ChatGPT says and I broadly agree. I don't know why I have to do this for you though:

Granting citizenship to immigrants is widely regarded as a significant positive for both the individuals and the host country, primarily by fostering full societal and economic integration. When immigrants naturalize, they gain permanent security and a greater sense of belonging, which allows them to make long-term plans for their careers, education, and homeownership without the constant fear of deportation. This stability is a key factor in improving their economic prospects; studies show that a naturalized citizen's individual earnings increase, which in turn boosts the national tax base and local spending power. Furthermore, citizenship allows immigrants to participate fully in the democratic process by voting and running for certain offices, giving them a voice in their communities and strengthening the country's overall democracy. Ultimately, a pathway to citizenship is seen as an investment that can increase the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), create jobs, and generate greater tax revenues for the nation.