Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Tiresome little digs aside, if you think there are "green shoots" then more power to you, but you did dodge the question of whether we have improved, or whether we just have better players.

I see a squad that no more suits the current "system" now than it did a year ago, and who are as uncomfortable with the system today as they were a year ago. Lots of training time these days, so why do we continue to look so disjointed?

If buying players is the only answer, then why not just go to the system that fits the players now and then buy more players for that?

I thought we were showing improvements in that little run vs Liverpool and Brighton.

But Spurs, Forest and then Everton were either a return to 'form' or regression, or the other games were just kinda a fluke.

Palace was the same ol' rubbish in the first half. a bit better in the second half but not like it was a performane to write home about.

I do think we are hamstrung by player quality, but after 12 months I can't help but think Amorim doesn't have the tactical plan to succeed. Is it all down to player quality we struggle to move the ball from defence to attack, or is the plan also poor. At this stage, I have to think it is both.

I hope not.

Just don't see the point. Can't play with Bruno, likely won't play instead of him. Would be behind Mbeumo, Cunha and Mount at 10? Not sure he's really much different to Bruno in terms of the defensive discipline either.

He just turned 20 3 weeks ago. Players are not the finisded article at 20. If he learns from the issues he has had in the past couple of weeks it will help him become a better player.

Yep.

It is concerning, but also to be somewhat expected.

hopefully he can get himself out of his funk quick cause we'll not have an alternative really when Mazraoui goes to Afcon.

Our build up yesterday was really bad and I said it during the match but it was honestly first half especially like watching ten hags team from last year 3-1-6 in possession which is fine in once sense but then it was direct balls, not winning the second balls and everyone sprinting back, palace could well have been out of sight yesterday come half time, both yoro and shaw stopped huge chances, and there was plenty more big moments on transition.

Second half wasn't any different really only place tired and we started winning more of the 2nd balls, when we went ahead we did play more possession football tbf.

I don't think we can build through the middle with cas he has no interest in getting the ball off the CBS, he certainly won't run to do it, but yesterday he stood in the cover a lot of times.

I remember specifically mbeumo dropped at one stage into the space and I think yoro passed it to him no bother and two passes later we were in at palace.

I gave Bruno stinkers on Monday for leaving his position to get the ball off the CBS but yesterday he actually only dropped once I noticed so he was doing his bit in that sense but we are never going to build with cas in the middle especially when he is left by himself in build up

Yoro has had a couple of stinkers for sure but hopefully the fan base don't go too hard on him (haven't seen it here just in general) he is only 20 and still learning as has been said.

Maz stepped up yesterday and he can have a run back in the team and hopefully we can give yoro some run outs in easier game conditions to build confidence before he is needed again.

Harry should be back soon so he can be an option too during afcon

Now that Martinez is back, does this mean Heaven will get no minutes all season?

Potentially a loan move would make sense for him. He could come back next season when we have (hopefully) more games to play. Sitting on the bench doesn't help his development at this age.

I wasn't genuinely trying to make any digs and apologies if that's the way it came across- But yeah I can definitely see an improvement and I think many others can as well.

As as for our improvement obviously the new signings have made a big difference and the manager deserves credit for signing them- There are some improvements in players like Mount, Casemiro and De Ligt compared to last season whilst others like Dalot and Ugarte are just not up to scratch. The full pre season and extra time on the training ground is making a difference but players need time to settle and gel with each other. Take a look at Arteta at Arsenal- He was given a lot of time and patience to get it right (almost 6 years) and now we're seeing now what a good decision that was!! Managers need to be given time to develop their style of play and sign players they want

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What made you think I was referring to yourself? At my age people in their 40s are young lads 🤣…. and I doubt if you remember the 70s.

I know, I’m beginning to sound like my Dad, I hope I didn’t come across as condescending and if so it was unintentional.

I think some of our ex players came from a dressing room that demanded certain standards from every player and were especially hard on the younger ones to ensure they understood what was expected of them.

And while that’s fine when you’re in the dressing room with these lads where you can explain that you have their best interests in mind and that it’s all part of their development.

The likes of Neville, Keane , Scholes etc… need to understand they’re not in the dressing room anymore and that when they rip a kid apart on commentary the context can be lost on the player and can be hugely counter productive.