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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭aero2k


    It's likely that those writing to the papers never actually watched it, like the folks in the "down with this sort of thing" episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,025 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well of course not!!!

    Unlikely to have allowed "British filth" like Channel 4 into their home in the first place, so they had no means to see it, when they were trying to keep it off RTE.

    Actually this sort of clamour about films or TV always starts before they're even released, so can't have been seen by them…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭aero2k


    We're probably talking about people who felt switching to RTE 2 was a bit too adventurous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,510 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,550 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I was only half joking - I have been in a house where inquiring into the possibility of changing from RTE1, where the offering was crap, to RTE2 elicited a "why would you want to do that" response.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Whenever someone posts a link to a media site I don't know, I check it its political leaning on allsides.com or similar.

    Teen vogue.jpg

    I had to go to Brietbart to get a more extreme score. Fox News scored -4.0 😀

    Yale university staff are 77% democrat v 3% Republican registered.

    The chances of a review by the above educational institution and being published in the above media site being an independent review are about as low as me competing in the Tour de France next year

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,905 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Teen vogue is gone now anyway, just in recent days. And some of the staff reacted in typical activist fashion and accosted the HR executive who was tasked with announcing the decision, and ended up immediately fired. They need to read the room, most people are done with this shite. It really is a weird bubble at this stage. Teen vogue, of all media outlets, does not need to "stand up to the Trump administration" as one of them said. Get a grip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,905 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    To add, it's actually galling to me that a media outlet that made me and my peers feel like fat pigs in the 2000s for being over a size 8 are now going to bat for the idea that men are women. I was young and I starved myself to fit into what they said was acceptable, they can't claim any moral superiority whatsoever. If any woman back then had shown any masculine trait they would have lampooned her for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Let's remind ourselves this thread is about: an Irish person being arrested, held for several hours and under threat of prosecution for weeks after arriving from the U.S. on suspicion of upsetting some people with his social media posts.

    Whatever you say don't upset anyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,510 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Very true but with one important reservation: my dad, god rest him, used to say back then that he couldn't understand why the fashion industry seemed to find only women who looked like teenage boys attractive.

    I, of course, at the time thought he was an unenlightened idiot. But now it seems somewhat plausible to me that maybe that pressure on young women to starve themselves into looking like 13 year old boys was not entirely unrelated to the way certain adults now seem so keen to push the "need" for puberty blockers onto either boys or girls?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Did you forget the bit about him encouraging people to beat up a child?

    Funny how there was no galling about links to the Daily Mail being posted, which of course has spend decades publishing clickbait photos of celebrities in bikinis who may have actually eaten normally for a change, but only galling about Teen Vogue.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    There is "a lot" of valid criticism of Linehan but when did he encourage anyone to beat up a child?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Did you forget the bit about him encouraging people to beat up a child?"

    Remind me where 'he encouraged people to beat up a child', preferably with link and direct quote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Have you really been posting about this stuff without knowing what actually happened?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Even for you that's really reaching!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That's exactly the OPPOSITE of what she said. The claim here was, in case you forgot,

    "So, if a little boy wants to wear a pink dress, or a little girl wants to play with a toy excavator, should we let them at it, or bring them to a doctor who'll affirm their new gender identity with drugs and surgery?"

    which is the exact opposite of her story, where drugs and surgery came after a VERY LONG journey, including suicide attempts and much more. It's just mad how some people are absolutely determined to write off the mere existence of trans people by blaming parents, or TV or social media. It's a bit of a shocker I know, but trans people exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Reaching what? He's calling for physically violent attacks against trans people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Linehan put himself in 'the wrong place at the wrong time'. Just like the judge said to Enoch Burke, he has the keys to his own prison stay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Let's not kid ourselves that you were asking questions in search of information or answers.

    Yours was a 'have you stopped beating your wife' type question, a 'will they be marrying horses next' (during marriage equality debate) type question. Your question was loaded with false information solely designed to create acceptance of these false scenarios.

    There's a long way from 'celebrating their 5 yr old trans kids braveness' to drugs and surgery, despite your false implication. Should parents NOT be celebrating their 5 yr old kids braveness btw?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    LOL

    Where does he mention "beating up a child"?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Do you think trans people suddenly become trans at age 18? Trans children exist, and he's advocating for physical violence against trans people.

    But go back to your own summary of the situation - why did you leave out his advocating for physical violence against trans people, of whatever age?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,510 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So why is the fact that 18 months, Jack would put on his mother's bra important then? Nobody made her say all that.

    “I first realised Jackie was different when she was 18 months old,” says her mum Susie Green.

    "Although she was my first child, I had lots of nephews and nieces and Jackie just didn’t seem to behave like them.

    “She’d go into my wardrobe, put on dresses and she even put my bra on at 18 months.

    “The nursery staff were telling me Jackie was different when she went there at two and a half years old.”

    Cross-dressing in the dressing up box

    At nursery Jackie never played with the boys, always took a female role in the games played and would treat the soft toys like babies or pretend to have tea with them.

    “She couldn’t wait to get into the dressing up box. She’d come out as Snow White with a jumper on her head and the arms trailing down to make it look like she had long hair.”

    She insists that he only liked sparkly things etc, and that HER HUSBAND couldn't stand the fact of having an "effeminate", probably gay, son. BTW that used to be a "joke" among Tavistock staff - that soon there'd be no gays left (because they'd all be transed. Hilarious, right?)

    So if you think the fact that there's an extra step where the child has internalised that parental homophobia and decided to become the person their father could love, makes the whole tragedy fundamentally different to the shortcut I described, then fine.

    But it's really not. Internalised homophobia based on liking girls' toys (because before puberty, that's what it was - he couldn't possibly have been sexually attracted to anyone at age 4) is still transing someone on the basis that they like girls' toys and dressing up. It's what happened to that child. Because of his father's homophobia, which tragically the child then internalised and decided to "fix" by becoming a child who was allowed to play with girls' toys, ie a girl.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Seriously? The child's response to homophobia is to be come trans, because you think being trans is a solution to homophobia.

    Have you spoken to many trans people about their experiences with homophobia at all? Talk about throwing petrol on the fire….

    Just curious, are gay people made gay by their parents or is it just trans people who are made trans by their parents?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Why did you claim he encouraged people to beat up a child when he clearly did no such thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭tarvis


    And that fact has not been denied. However for many people, male and female, the hard earned rights and needs and the title of biological women are not up for grabs.

    A woman is a woman and a trans woman is a trans woman. Most of agro is down to over reach by one side - mostly trans zealots.

    Live and let live seems a wiser way to go.

    US political antics is now creating such hatreds that in time we could see the destruction of all of what is called the LGBTQ community . Trans folk should perhaps be careful what they wish for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,510 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    If you think that transing a gay person to make their sexuality acceptable to homophobes isn't a thing, maybe consider why Iran was for decades the country where by far the most sex change operations took place. That's because it was the only way a homosexual man could have a legal relationship with another man there. Otherwise they were risking imprisonment and even death.

    And you should watch the Panorama exposé of the now shut Tavistock GIDS clinic, where you can see for yourself clinicians laughing and joking that "There’ll be no gays left". (89% of girls sterilised and 81% of boys chemically castrated there were same sex oriented.

    Also FYI, sexual orientation is very different from wrongly imagining that you were born in the wrong body, which is quite simply impossible.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    How exactly are you getting "encouraged people to beat up a child" from that? Did you post the wrong screenshot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,510 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    It's amusing seeing you claim that people are posting false information when you literally lied that Linehan had called for people to "beat up children". He made a JOKE (remember those things?) based on how to respond to a violent act (after calling the cops etc first) - but it was still a JOKE. Because women don't have balls.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Surely a transwoman is a man, since you have to be a man to transition to female gender. Gender is in your head, how you feel, which is why I think trans and transactivists need good mental health care ab initio. Sex is biological and fact. There is no disputing that and the UK Supreme Court have confirmed it, albeit in respect of the Equality Act.

    The person behind Sophia Brooks is one Lynsay Watson a transactivist and disgraced police officer who was sacked by the Leicestershire force for gross misconduct after sending “abusive and defamatory” tweets. He is reputed to have approached the police to make charges against Linehan. That is very sinister IMV.

    Linehan will appeal. That will open up a can of worms and will allow Linehan access to all kinds of information not so far disclosed. The appeal will not be about the conviction on its own. I'd watch that space.

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/b9146175-bc7a-4125-bb1c-90918c68e765?shareToken=360969dc1d278a022daa8006ebea51ca



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It's a bit of a shocker I know, but trans people exist.

    Has anyone denied the existence of trans people? Do you think posters are discussing people they believe to be imaginary?

    The main crux of the debate here is the attempted erosion of women's rights and the insistence that we should accept trans women with intact male genitalia into our spaces and sports. Most trans people just get on with lives, it's the activism and accusations of bigotry and transphobia that have caused issues.



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