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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭sekiro


    I think it's pretty reasonable to ask exactly what the upper limit might be.

    If we set a limit at, lets say, 10 million then that's leaving many many millions of people behind in poverty and war. So we only reward those who can actually make it over here and once a certain number get through the door then that door would eventually need to close.

    How is it even good for migrants themselves if we are going to put more an more pressure on to the systems that they need.

    People always go on about Irish not being able to get homes, places in schools or access to healthcare but this affects people arriving here also.

    Again, it comes down to common sense. If we struggle to accommodate 80,000 new arrivals this year then we're going to struggle even harder to accommodate 100,000 next year and 120,000 the year after that at some point it harms absolutely everyone to keep going like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭phater phagan


    Ireland has:

    A population of only about 5.3 million.

    One of the fastest population growth rates in Europe.

    A limited housing stock and persistent housing crisis.

    Strained public services (GP access, schools, transport).

    Rural areas with declining populations but limited job availability.

    Because Ireland is small and already dealing with structural constraints, even moderate increases in population have stronger effects than they might in larger countries like France, Germany, or the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    In the past 2 years I've visited Paris, Madrid, Venice, Rome, Amsterdam... all cities in counties which are having issues with immigration and who have either voted in a right wing government, or have a right wing party riding high in the polls. I never would've believed it until I was there, but they appear to have way less immigration than we have here in Dublin. You walk down the streets and it's mainly the citizens of that country. Same in hotels, restaurants, shops, public transport - it's mainly natives. Yes, in terms of actual numbers they have a lot more than us, but Ireland just doesn't have the population to absorb the amount of immigration we have here.

    Part of the charm for me of going on city breaks to these cities is observing how the locals live and go about their business, how they dress, how they communicate. Sadly for anyone visiting Dublin, this is disappearing at an alarming rate, and we're probably only in the early stages of our immigration experience (it's really only become very noticeable for me since Covid). I feel like we've sold our soul for the sake of an economy, and we will come to regret it in a big way. It's not even like growing the economy has given us a better lifestyle or standard of living either - far from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    If we are going to criticise shortages of housing, hospital beds, hospital waiting times, then we have to accept that these things are related to the growth of the population as well as supply. As the natural increase is about 19,400, it follows that the vast majority of the population increase is immigration.

    Minister Jim O'Callaghan made a good point about family reunification, that a lot of it are people who become dependent on the State. The elderly and children for example.

    They are not going to be paying taxes, so are a net cost to the State.

    I agree with the plan to deny naturalisation to someone who has spent most of their time here not working. We need to build incentives into the system for immigrants to find jobs so that the State can recoup in taxes what we are spending on asylum.

    Excluding Corporation Tax, Ireland has a deficit of €14 bn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Labour over in the UK really tightening the screw, the home secretary below states that she wants every single asylum seeker hotel closed.

    Are our politicians the last idiots left in Europe or is there any other country with ones as stupid?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    So right. A major problem as I see it, regardless of one's opinion of migration, is our inability to develop the houses and infrastructure necessary to deal with the increased population. I live in rural Clare close to Limerick City. I know the area so well. it is amazing how long it is taking families to get basic construction jobs done. Extensions that previously took weeks can now take over a year. There are long waits for craftsmen, most of whom have taken jobs in local industries at very good salaries. We have a number of minor jobs to be done on our home, replacement of lights, change of sink, repairs to presses etc. We have loads of contacts but it is virtually impossible to get a craftsman.

    A relation trying to build a new house is faced with on-going difficulties, zoning issues on one site, 20,000 on a percolation costs on another, plus such detailed planning stipulations on all sites, that he won't be able to proceed imo. As for bigger projects! The population of Mid-West is exploding, so many migrants, most working, plus the natural population increase , with schools full etc. As an aside, I'm not sure that all the migrants ever fill up a census form so the true numbers as evident in any walk through Limerick City indicates, can only be guessed at.

    The area desperately needs a second large hospital but the length of time the planning procedure will take and the incredible costs involved in the construction of it, means that it will take decades to complete, if indeed it ever happens. Unless the government introduces 'revolutionary' changes to our planning system, and planning regulations etc etc, the situation will continue to get worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Journalist Alison O Connor was on the radio yesterday with a panel discussing Jim O Callaghans pretty mild asylum proposals and she said if they were put to a public vote today unfortunately they would be popular



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 121 ✭✭Scar001


    Paywalled in Irish Independent.

    Americans moving here increased by 96% to 9,600 last year.

    Gun crime, trans rights and Trump the reasons.

    At 4 to a house that would require 2,400 homes to accommodate them alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    74% of hiv cases recorded last year are from people born outside the state.

    HIV a new report from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) and World Health Organisation (WHO) found that, among 30 countries, Ireland has the second-highest rate of overall cases, at 18.8 per 100,000 – significantly above the European average of 5.3 per 100,000.

    The HPSC said that 989 cases were recorded here in 2024, affecting 594 men and 394 women.

    The majority of diagnoses made last year (74 per cent) were among people born outside of Ireland. Four-in-ten first-time cases – representing 97 people – were diagnosed with late stage infection. Dr John Gilmore, assistant professor in the UCD School of Nursing, Midwifery and Health Systems, described the finding as ‘really disheartening’.

    “Ongoing rising rates in HIV transmission are deeply concerning, particularly at a time when we are closer than ever to ending new HIV transmissions,” he said.

    https://www.imt.ie/news/ireland-has-second-highest-levels-of-hiv-per-capita-in-europe-new-report-finds-28-11-2025/



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