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Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Palmach


    I didn't mention gender at all but feel free to "assume".



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So, did you not post this gender based nonsense then as a positive of Trump's pretend leadership?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Palmach


    1. They are not bombing Gaza. There are occasional outbreaks but the situation has massively calmed down. It would be even quieter if Hamas disarmed as they are supposed to.
    2. Donald Trump is not President of the world. America First was his mantra.
    3. I think most people in the US think a hard with low illegal immigration is a good thing. Even Bernie Sanders agreed.
    4. Like I said it depends on your perspective. If like a lot of Irish people who are possessed with TDS nothing Trump has done can be seen as a positive. If you are a MAGA supporter there are lots of positives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Palmach


    I think it is a positive. You hate Trump and I'm no fan either but people have different views.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    1. so you accept that you introduced the topic of gender despite earlier denying it
    2. you've not attempted any meaningful explanation as to how it might be a positive (aside from suggesting that having it on a passport might help the one or two people who end up in hospital with their passport in their pocket) 🙄
    3. I'd also question your claim that you're not a fan because in the past three pages you've tried to assign five nonsense actions by him as positives of his tenure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Your whole approach is highly disingenuous here.

    For the sake of argument I'm going to assume you are a "left leaning liberal".

    Nothing Trump does you are ever going to find positive.

    The truth is that liberals are losing ground around the world because they took it all too far despite all the signs that the general public were increasingly uncomfortable with certain things like DEI or trans or education or whatever.

    Trump is a lot of things (some personally I find vile) but what he is above all is an extreme reaction to a liberal movement that went too far in the last 10 to 20 years.

    If someone supports Trump generally it is most likely on that basis.

    So how are you supposed to ever agree on something positive about Trump?

    Why are you asking then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,532 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    extreme reaction to a liberal movement that went too far in the last 10 to 20 years.

    Can you give a couple of specific examples of how the liberal movement went too far in the last 20 years?

    And if you want to focus on things like Trans rights etc, I'd like you to consider the amount of people who have had genuinely harmful/negative experiences as a consequence of the liberal movement going too far.

    Time and again, as you are doing here, we see people refuse to take ownership for their support for Trump and instead defacto acknowledge how bad he is by saying he is a reaction to liberals going too far.

    Trump and others like him have sold a narrative that his supporters were happy to swallow but such as the narrative around ICE being focused on going after the worst of the worst, the reality is very different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    For the sake of argument I'm going to assume you are a "left leaning liberal".

    Speaking in extremes, always a good basis for any kind of good faith argument…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,754 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's the lack of detail for me. In very few ways is the US a "liberal" country, IMO. Maybe by the standards of last century or the one before. The state incarcerates more of its population per capita than any other. Rights seem to be almost non-existent and are often luxuries. They couldn't even end slavery without a civil war. The British did it over half a century before with a mere Act of Parliament and spent subsequent decades terrorising slavers with the Royal Navy.

    It's so deeply anti-democratic with the gerrymandering, the electoral college and the two-party system that I struggle to see any liberalism. I also find the idea of the state murdering people, predominantly non-white, to be deeply disgusting and offensive.

    So, no metric of measuring the alleged liberal overreach has been offered. A few years ago, one Derek Chauvin felt so emboldened by the country's endemic and systemic racism that he could just murder a black man and get away with it. There's a whole media industrial complex demonising "the left", trans people, academics, liberals, socialists, unions, foreigners, refugees, other countries, "traitors", etc…

    I work for a university and DEI for me has been a few hours a decade spent on diversity training. That's it. Personally, I don't see what's so offensive about wanting to make the world a better place for persecuted groups but that's just me. I struggle to see how it got so bad that voting for an actual fascist who was best friends with the world's most famous child sex trafficker was the answer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,124 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Don’t expect much in terms of details or accuracy from Kermit, they’ve a track record of being mammothly incorrect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,821 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    If the deal with the drug companies reducing the price of weight loss drugs comes to pass, that will be a positive.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Of all the drugs they could have targeted , these were the ones they picked?

    Whilst any discount to the crazy drug costs in the US is a good thing , picking drugs that are ,in the overwhelming majority of cases, a choice not a necessity seems odd.

    Why not Insulin or Asthma meds or any other medication used to manage chronic conditions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,583 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    They are less likely to be covered by the low-end insurance his voters have than essential ones are. And lots of demand; and also I think nearly all if not all are imported from the EU (Denmark, and here for the US-owned ones)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,832 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Trump to pardon Gobble Gobble, thought it was Monica Lewinsky , but it's a Turkey it turns out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Amazing the right-wing obsession with an affair from 30 years ago. Give it a break already. I wonder if the Pakistan/Africa Twitter engine makes a lot of coin bringing this up constantly...

    BTW Presidents have been pardoning Turkeys for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    If peace breaks out over Ukraine Trump must get the Nobel Peace Prize ✌️ How many conflicts has he solved now? 9? Amazing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,579 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Well there is not going to be peace in Ukraine since Russia demands land they have failed to even occupy which they will not get (as per Ukraine's constitution that's simply not possible to give away) and he's about to start a war in Venezuela. And I'm curious to what 9 conflicts you think he resolved.

    • He bombed Iran as well (and then claim he resolved it which it's not as Israel has already stated they will bomb again so this is at best a temporary cease fire)
    • Pakistan and India never were at war (they simply strike at each other on a regular basis for the last couple of decades so what's exactly solved?)
    • Cambodia and Thailand conflict has continued with further shelling
    • Rwanda and Congo conflict goes back to a deal from 2024 that both sides claim the other is breaching
    • Armenia and Azerbaijan possibly but I'd expect that will flare up soon enough by Azerbaijan as always in a couple of years (as is the tradition of that conflict)
    • Israel and Hamas I'll give him some credit for but calling it a solved conflict is laughable
    • Egypt and Ethiopia has not been resolved (and was never an armed conflict so should we include trade deals in his resolutions?)
    • Serbia and Kosovo is not solved nor armed conflict

    So yea; solved 9 conflicts where exactly? Because solved implies there's an agreement in place that's being followed…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,532 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Do you think someone who indiscriminately bombs boats in the Caribbean should get a Nobel prize because he had someone translate a Russian demands list and forced it on Ukraine? Genuine question.

    Or is this another one of your Bill Maher imitation posts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,106 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    By this "reasoning" all of Ireland would still be ruled by Britain

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    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Kermie will now turn to his old reliable 'Ireland needs to leave the EU because <mumble mumble nonsense>"



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,543 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    There's a very big "if" in that first sentence. Trump and his administration would be happy for Putin to come out on top. His desire to be respected by murdering dictators shows how low the USA has sunk - this is despite everyone else seeing him being dangled like a pathetic puppet by both Putin and Netanyahu.

    As for the number of conflicts he has solved, I assume you are trying to make fun of him but, just in case you actually think he has, the actual figure is zero and it looks like he is about head into negative figures if he wages his made up war on Venezuela.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,314 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    If Neville Chamberlain didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for betraying Czechoslovakia, I can't think why you would expect Trump to get one for betraying Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The EU will throw Ireland under the bus any minute now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trump wins the inaugural FIFA peace prize



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    aka a made up prize to further the pathetic arse-kissing of Gianni Infantino towards Trump.

    At least Sepp Blatter gave the impression that he held some form of power. Infantino isn't only as corrupt as Blatter but he's spineless to go along with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,532 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Remember when the conservative right were all "Keep politics out of sport" when soccer players were taking a knee to combat racism?

    I love how they so blatantly show their hypocrisy. Military flyovers, poppy wearing, Fifaasskissingaward, are all apparently not political.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,106 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Oh yeah.

    I'm old enough to remember when "keep politics out of sport" 🙄 was the mantra in relation to South Africa and Rhodesia (look it up). But their efforts to get international sport into those countries was 100% about politics. Same as when they gave Queen a huge bag of money to play Sun City - the regime's motivation had nothing to do with music.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 40,106 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It seems being a completely spineless doormat (plenty of other words I could use) is working out quite well for aul' Gianni. Maybe it's the rest of us who are wrong to have humanity, morals and principles.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Im pretty sure there vast majority of fans want none of this Trump nonsense at the world cup or anything to do with it.Alot of Trumps base hate soccer as it isnt an American sport so any of this isnt really going to work on them as they wont be watching anyway.

    Also seeing as the left were all in favour of dragging politics into sports they can't really complain now when the shoe is on the other foot. They were happy for sports to be about more than just the games and use it to promote their politics when it suited them.

    None of it bothers me anymore from either side because I just avoid anything that isnt the matches themselves in any sport and it avoids all this political bullshit people seem to want to inflict on others. Thats probably what people need to do going forward it isnt that difficult and frankly its improved my life as I spend less time watching American sports discussion shows which I used to watch alot of but they became tedious as they started to have excessive amounts of politics into them



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