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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Pretty disgusting rewarding a genocidal country like that. I'd be curious what's actually in the agreement that Ukraine have signaled they are happy to work with. There's probably wording that Trump will contradict by recognizing occupied Ukrainian territory. Not like Trump has read the agreement anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This "peace deal" has only a miniscule chance of being successful. Putin is not even particularly interested in ending the war - the only way he would agree to it ending would be if the Ukrainians made a huge amount of concessions and caved in on nearly everything Russia is demanding. He appears to be playing Trump like a fiddle here and the supposed peace talks with the US are just a charade or PR stunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    One fascist administration supporting another.

    What else should we expect. Europe must oppose this with every means at its disposal, including economic.

    Some things have too high a price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    "The US is reportedly ready to recognize Russia’s control over Crimea & occupied Ukrainian regions."

    Does this include the parts russia STILL has not taken and that Ukraine are still occupying?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Guess we'll find out when Witkoff asks Putin what land he wants when they meet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The writing was on the wall when the US started voting with Venezuela and North Korea at the UN. It still amazes me how little kick back internally has happened. I can understand the America First attitude but literally switching sides would be a head spinner for me as if I was an American citizen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Disturbing rumours in The Daily Telegraph that Trump may be about to unilaterally recognise the regions Putin claims as "Russian".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I dont think this WHs priority is ending the fighting. Its getting back into Putins good books so they can make lucrative fossil fuels and other deals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Trump is also pulling the rug from under the talks a few days ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Duduzile Zuma-Sambudla resigns as South African MP over Russia mercenary recruitment scandal

    How many Africans (not just South Africans) have been duped like this? At least the story shines a light on another dark a channel that helps aid Russia's senseless invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,060 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    In Kuzbass an ambulance carrying a patient was stuck in a snowdrift all night. Authorities refused to clear the road to access the ambulance as the Kremlin labelled the woman patient a foreign agent. The woman fell into a coma overnight in the ambulance. The kremlin were disappointed the woman was still alive in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Georgia effectively being turned into a Warsaw Pact type satellite state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,934 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Russia must have video of trump sleeping with a minor such is the level of fanning over them by trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I say its quite possible something like that or tons of money provided to him years ago or both. Russia have him bent over a barrel and there holding the vaseline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Ukrainian woman in mid 20s describes life in a Kherson village under Russian occupation (11 minutes in).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    North Korean arms shipments to Russia have resumed.

    Fresh satellite imagery from Planet Labs, published by NK Pro, shows Russian container vessels Lady R and Angara returning to DPRK ports — a route previously used to move thousands of containers of ammunition into Russia, as Militarnyi reports.

    Both ships made 3 visits in November and 2 in October to Rason, the DPRK port near the Russian border that has quietly become a weapons logistics hub.

    Analysis by Militarnyi reveals the scale of a single shuttle run:

    Angara: 632 containers per voyage (payload up to 7,331 tons)
    Lady R: 783 containers per voyage (payload up to 7,630 tons)
    Total capacity over five recent voyages is calculated at 7,075 containers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭badabing106


    Russia should just withdraw is morally correct but practically useless. It ignores the central, undeniable fact of this conflict: There is a 0% chance that Russia will voluntarily withdraw

    Given this reality, there are two choices for the world

    1.Demand total Russian surrender, fueling a war of attrition for probably decades, resulting in millions more deaths with no guarantee of success.

    2.Acknowledge the military situation and pursue a negotiated end to the killing, however imperfect.

    The West can send endless weapons and unite through slogans like "peace through strength" and "whatever it takes", but it cannot change the fundamental reality that Russia is a larger, nuclear-armed state that isn't going to capitulate

    The goal of pursuing a perfect moralistic victory that is impossible to achieve is not going to move you a mm closer to peace and save millions of lives

    3 years of demands and escalations didn't get any withdrawal or save millions of lives

    Should we just go all in for world war 3 in the pursuit of victory ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The danger is that Putin will just bank what he is offered and keep pushing, like Hitler did.

    There are implications for Europe as a while if Russia is allowed to redraw borders by force. It sets a precedent.

    I think we need to teach the young of what happened when people like Neville Chamberlain took the easy way out at Munich. He thought it would bring peace.

    Also controlling Ukraine would give Russia domination over minerals and rare earths and the international grain market. They would use that to destabilise the west further.

    Do we want a precedent where independent countries are forced back into the empires they escaped from? What would that mean for Ireland if an imperialist rightwing government came to power in the UK?

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Field east


    did you forget no 3 ie bankrupting Russia. It is within the powers of the west to choke Russia financially it can be ‘fast tracked by Ukr droning the s—t out of the main Russian oil processing/pumping facilities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    mighg be time to recognise Russia's claims to Alaska in return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,027 ✭✭✭happyoutscan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The Ukrainian goal isn't to win outright on the battlefield, it's to make the war as costly and unsustainable for Russia as possible via effective military defense.

    My problem with these sorts of posts is that they seem to hinge on some bizarre fantasy that Russia is some global superpower with unlimited resources and a bullet-proof economy.

    It has none of those things.

    The military reality is that Russia is fighting almost 4 years and when you exclude the land it already held pre 2022 has taken very little of Ukraine, with gains dwindling constantly to WW1 type advances at WW1 levels of casualties.

    Two further things wrong with your post.

    Firstly, saying there's zero percent chance Russia will withdraw goes back to your above assertion, that Russia has an infinite capacity to fight and suffer, when it does not, not to mention, Putin could die next week, could be deposed, anything could happen independent of economic and military factors.

    Secondly, "a negotiated end of the killing" is not what Putin is looking for. He wants terms as if Ukraine has been decisively militarily defeated, including limits on UKR military and them handing over territory they already hold, have successfully defended, and Russia isn't within an asses roar of conquering anytime soon.

    Why would Ukraine agree to such terms when nothing like that has happened? Why would you dress up such demands as "negotiated end to the killing"?

    That's not negotiation. That's Putin wanting to be seen to have decisively won his disasterous war with Versaille Treaty Lite so he doesn't end up like Mussolini.

    Lastly, the big bad stick of Russia must be allowed to win or else we'll all face nuclear annihilation…..is pretty desperate.

    Curious as well that certain posters always put the onus on Ukraine to "stop the killing"….when they're defending their own country against a bigger neighbour who's made it quite clear it wanted to erase their national identity and autonomy completely, up to genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Two Russian Shadow fleet tankers were hit in the black sea off the coast of Turkey. Lots of smoke on the horizon. They transport oil to India and Turkey. Denys says they were empty so probably en route to Russia for a refill. Hopefully they're now a coral reef project.

    If they make the black sea a no go for Russian tankers this will be a huge blow to the Russian economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    So Mr Putin, just to confirm, you want to keep what you’ve stolen, steal a lot more while you’re at it, resume business with the West, cancel all the war crimes malarkey and ensure you can steal the rest of country down the road. Where do we sign?

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭FishOnABike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,215 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    What yokes were Dim and Wit on when they come up with this guff?

    • If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee;
    • If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked;
    • If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or Saint Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

    Is there any chance of the Ukraine we are familiar with in this solar system launching an unprovoked invasion of Russia? Of course, there’s every chance of Russia alleging that a future Ukraine has launched a missile on a Russian city by organizing such an explosion itself, as the people of Chechnya know all too well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭badabing106


    Russia has already sacrificed 100s of thousands of men, international isolation, and a stunted economy. Yet, it fights on. Hoping for a palace coup or Putin's death is a wishful hope, not a strategy. To base policy on a "maybe" is a dangerous gamble with Ukrainian lives.

    Yes Eu/ Ukraine's goal is to make the war too costly for Russia. Russia's goal is to make the war too costly for Ukraine. This is a brutal test of endurance. A "negotiated end" does not mean capitulating . It means using military strength and Western support to force Russia to a point where it will accept a less than total victory. This is how most wars end

    Dismissing the nuclear threat as"desperate" is dangerously naive. This isn't about letting Russia "win" . it's about acknowledging that a direct NATO Russia war risks the Extinction of human beings

    True solidarity means being honest. if the goal is ukraine turning the tide in this war , Ursula von der leyden must commit to a multi decade, total-war level of support like Russia. If that is deemed impossible or too risky, then a strategy that uses Ukraine's incredible defensive successes to lock in the best possible peace,one that preserves Ukrainian sovereignty and a future sooner rather than later, might be better?



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