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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I think movement on the front lines in Ukraine has been minuscule for some time now and any one who takes these as an indicator that russia is winning does not understand the scale of the country that putin has tried to invade or has some ulterior motive like profiting from exploiting resources in the war torn countries involved if a putin victory of sorts was declared.

    Ukraine may have avoided hitting some infrastructure targets in russia when the USA was supplying them with weapons that helped them, but Trump has cut off aid, and they have upped the production of their own weapons that will in time break putin's fossil fuel dependent economy. I think the Ukrainians continue to play lip service to Trump so cutting them off completely from USA sourced weapons and intel would be political suicide for Trump and the republican party, but he no longer has the leverage to make them accept anything that would just suit his business interests and friendship with putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Deub


    Values dont save millions of lives , enforceable peace agreements do !

    Like demonstrated the Minsk agreement….

    Edit: and the Budapest Memorandum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I'm not sure if you missed it or not but Trump has been "trying" to stop the war for a year now by pressuring Ukraine/Europe and has failed spectacularly. The peace talks have amounted to nothing because Putin has simply demanded what he's demanded all along. Ukraines surrender.

    The only thing Trump has in common with Biden is neither of them seem willing to sanction the ever loving f*ck out of Russia and give Ukraine the tools to bomb some common sense into the Russian economy and war machine. It's the only strategy that has not been tried so far.

    You use this nebulous term "realpolitik". Im wondering what specific real political moves you would make in order to stop this war right now? Apart from simply giving Russia everything it wants. I suspect you'll be back with a waffley list of what essentially amounts to Ukraines surrender, NATO stops expanding, sanction removal etc.. Or to put it another way , Putins wishlist.

    So apart from that what would you do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,368 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Key countries in Europe should hold referendums on whether to help defend Ukraine directly, as in troops, no restriction on weapons etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They've held out better then we thought. It would have been a disaster if Russia took the city swiftly 3 months ago. The same happened with Vovchansk where they made swift gains and we didn't expect Ukraine to hold on so long to the point Vovchansk holds no strategic value for Russia.

    I don't have much but I really hope Pokrovsk can remain the frontline for a long time. We need Russia to get stalled eventually and not to keep making creeping gains towards the Dnipro each year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭King Power Fox


    in the long run I hope you are right on your assessment of the Ukraine Russia war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Lovely. I look forward to hearing about the impact this attack will have made in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    If Trump gets a gold statue and the Ukrainians get peace - that's fine by me, I don't spite that at all, but I call it what it is - and I don't pretend it's down to anything else but a horrible human being making a deal with another horrible human being. A cherry-picked moment where Trump's worst qualities act as an asset, while we ignore all the other chaos he's bringing with those same qualities.

    Likewise if Putin snubs him again for the 5th or 6th or whatever time it is, and spins wheel Orban steps in and somehow secures peace. Cool, Orban is still a piece of ****.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Germany, France, and Britain still don't quite seem to have woken up yet.

    Putin is not ending this war in a stalemate. Given his age and given what it's cost so far, he's in far too deep now. He has publicly laid down a marker for an end state (Ukraine to surrender the five occupied regions). In reality, I think he would prefer to take all the territory to the Moldovan border in order to annex Transnistria, which is unlikely now.

    I think he knows that if he ends this war, without forcing Ukraine to sign an agreement to cede the 5 occupied regions, or the vast majority of them at very least, his regime will not survive. Either he gets something he can genuinely sell as a victory (Ukraine to cede the 5 regions), or his legacy is toast. That is why he's willing to throw everything at this fight. This war is going to be his final defining moment in Russian history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The Ukrainian side are unequivocally clear as well. They are not going to formally surrender away any territory, not now, not ever.

    As I've maintained for a long time now, the only logical conclusion is that both sides will continue to fight for the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Putin now back to saying Zelensky is illegitimate and he wont negotiate with him, saying his mandate had expired because of no elections. Putin knows perfectly well there can be no elections while fighting is ongoing so this is just a ruse.

    The UK postponed elections in WW2 for this reason. The US didnt but the fighting was thousands of miles away separated by two oceans

    Yesterday in his press conference with friendly journalists in Bishkek, , Kyrgyzstan, he also gave himself a get out clause from negotiation with any newly elected leader by speaking of "manipulations" that might occur in an election.

    One of the Ukrainian suspects in blowing up the Nordstream pipeline has been extradited by Italy to Germany.

    Poland so far refusing to extradite another one.

    The Pipeline should not have been constructed. It weakened deterrence against Russian aggression by allowing Russia to directly pump gas to Germany rather than going through ex Soviet or Warsaw Pact countries. Schroeder approved the pipeline and was then given a seat on the board of Nordstream soon after leaving office.

    Theres an ongoing scandal in the state of Mecklenberg-West Pomerania where the state government set up a foundation that was supposed to be for environmental protection, but was actually a mechanism for getting around US sanctions on Nordstream. Ex-Stasi agent Matthias Warnig was reportedly involved. Despite the scandal, the head of the state government became president of the German Upper House during the Scholz government.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Screenshot_2025-11-28-06-49-50-942_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

    I see this as a good thing- Ukraine are taking anti corruption seriously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Putin has not once met Zelensky in the last 4 years. He is not interested in talks, except as a delaying tactic to take more territory, or to get the US to impose a deal on Ukraine.

    Also on corruption in Ukraine, Russia is 154 on Transparency Internationals Corruption Perceptions Index. Putin has a spoils system to reward his cronies and himself. According to Mikhail Khordokovsky Putin told oligarchs to give him 50% of their wealth to avoid ending up like him.

    In World War 2, there were corruption scandals in the UK about war profiteering during rationing. Some made headlines, and the Nazis tried to exploit it to present the allied cause as corrupt and morally degenerate. This has parallels with what Putin is doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    The only protagonists are the Russians - ALL the killing would stop if they withdrew their troops back behind their internationally recognised borders and stopped throwing drones and missiles at Ukrainian apartment blocks/hospitals/children's playgrounds.

    There is no "both sides" to this and anyone who tries to suggest it is at best a morally bankrupt moron, at worst a paid (or sometimes, unbelievably, an unpaid!) Russian shill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,877 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'm not sure ALL the killing would stop. Certainly it'd end the killing of innocent civilians but the Ukrainians will be hunting Ruzzian war criminals for decades whether through official state-sanctioned actions of the SBU or some disavowed agency like Mossad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,638 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I was reading a Russian born analyst on X yesterday suggesting Putin is in this for the long haul. She believe he sees Trump's supposed 'peace talks' as a sideshow and almost an irrelevance - Putin thinks he can grind down the Ukrainians over a long period, to the point where they will be so fatigued by war and more isolated that they will very reluctantly accede to his demands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭somenergy


    Of course the killing won't stop what happened in the areas already occupied there is a news blackout Ukrainians are either tortured, killed unless they escape or become a russian compliant subject

    Most will have to seek sanitary in the west while fighting aged will be force into military service.

    No NATO EU it will be a third world work house run by putin fav oligarchs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    US poll on the war:

    More Americans disapprove than approve of Trumps handling of the talks. Overall its 46% disapproval.

    • Democrats: 75% disapprove (62% strongly)
    • Independents: 47% disapprove vs 30% approve
    • Republicans: 70% approve, but 22% disapprove
    • 53% think a Ukraine-Russia peace deal in 2025 is unlikely
    • Only 7% think it is very likely

    75% of Democrats say the US has an obligation to defend Ukraine. The Atlantic article is behind a paywall but the numbers for Republicans and Independents who feel this way is 58% and 40% though Im not sure which is which.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Trump is now Europe's enemies friend says former NATO General Shireff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    I would 100% agree with you, but for one small thing. Trump is not helping to end the war. He might be thinking that he does, his supporters may think that too, but in reality he works for Putin's benefit and his goal to continue the war until Ukraine surrenders its political autonomy to Putin.

    To bring the war to end sooner, the strategy is clear. Let's take a cynical approach and forget that Russia is an aggressor and must be punished, etc. The art of the deal is to apply pressure and give incentives to all sides as needed to achieve the goal. In case of Russia it means that the USA should guarantee that Ukraine will have enough weapons for a sustained war, or that Ukraine will lose the war soon. The USA cannot force Ukraine to lose the war, as Ukraine can fight with its own weapons and the EU helps Ukraine to stay in the fight. Therefore the USA must help Ukraine so that Putin is forced to admit that further fighting is pointless.

    Post edited by Apiarist on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Jeju


    If Ukraine agreed to the peace plan giving up any terrority to gain peace history would be teaching us about the First and Second Russian Wars, and depending how east you are the narritive will be in Russian



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Let's be honest here, they could and would give up some territory for a security guarantee. They are literally sitting there in the position of "we will give you what you want, even though you attacked us illegally, we just want to be sure it's over and you won't attack us again". I don't see how they could be pushed beyond that position. A step back from this would be "you can rape our first born for the rest of time"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    From The Telegraph:

    The United States is poised to recognise Russia’s control over Crimea and other occupied Ukrainian territories to secure a deal to end the war.


    The Telegraph understands that Donald Trump has sent his peace envoy Steve Witkoff and son-in-law Jared Kushner to make the direct offer to Vladimir Putin in Moscow.


    The plan to recognise territory, which breaks US diplomatic convention, is likely to go ahead despite concerns among Ukraine’s European allies.


    One well-placed source said: “It’s increasingly clear the Americans don’t care about the European position. They say the Europeans can do whatever they want.”


    Russia’s president on Thursday said Washington’s legal recognition of Crimea and the Donetsk and Luhansk regions as Russian territory would be one of the key issues in negotiations over the US president’s peace plan.

    The Kremlin on Friday said it had received a revised strategy for ending the war drawn up after emergency talks between Ukrainian and American officials in Geneva, Switzerland, last weekend.


    An initial 28-point peace plan, formulated by Mr Witkoff after discussions with Russian officials, offered America’s “de facto” recognition of Crimea and the two eastern Donbas regions.


    The strategy also proposed “de facto” recognition of Russian-held land behind the line of contact in Ukraine’s Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions after any ceasefire agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,496 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    To follow up from the above:

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/11/28/8009381/

    Just in case you were curious to know what kind of people Trump wants to reward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Beautiful sight

    Belgian officials calling for Ukraine to prosecute corrupt officials if it wants to join the EU. Tbf we didn't exactly prosecute all the officials and bankers who caused us a crippling debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Desperate to make concessions even before a ceasefire has been agreed. Again. Trump has sat on sanctions, pulled aid to Ukraine and TACO'ed on the Tomahawks. Russia proves the more the US does for them the more they will look for. We may laugh and call Europe weak but the US administration is simply submissive with regards Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3m6p32pba622k

    The US is reportedly ready to recognize Russia’s control over Crimea & occupied Ukrainian regions.

    Drumpf and his entire administration are utter filth!

    Disgusting if they do this,but it's nothing less than you'd expect from his corrupt regime.



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