Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

There appears to an enormous divergence between how Europe and the US view the ongoing war.

Kaja Kallas the EU high representative for Foreign Affairs, states that “it is important that we continue to support Ukraine and pressure Russia. That is what we are working on”. She says those in the meeting all “welcomed the US’s push for the war to end”. Kallas adds: We all want this war to end but how it ends also matters. We must keep in mind there’s one aggressor and one victim. A complete and unconditional ceasefire must be the first step … but right now, we see no indication that Russia is ready for a ceasefire. Russia is not winding down its military machine but ramping it up. We still need to get from a situation where Russia pretends to negotiate to a situation where Russia needs to negotiate. We are getting there' She describes how sanctions on Russia have had an impact on its economy and notes some failures on the battlefield. Kallas adds: 'Putin cannot achieve his goals on the battlefield so he will try to negotiate his way there.'

Meanwhile the Telegraph reports how, 'The US army chief warned Ukraine it faced imminent defeat if it did not agree to a peace deal, according to reports. Dan Driscoll, Donald Trump’s army secretary, delivered the grim assessment during a visit to Kyiv last week in which he shared with Ukrainian officials a US-backed peace plan widely derided as a capitulation to Moscow, sources told NBC. Mr Driscoll allegedly said that Ukraine’s situation would only worsen over time as Russia continues to ramp up its aerial assault and has the ability to fight on indefinitely. He also supposedly said that the US defence industry cannot continue to resupply Kyiv with weapons and air defences at the rate required to protect the country’s infrastructure and population. ''The message was basically — you are losing,” a source told the news outlet, adding: “and you need to accept the deal.”

Who is telling the truth?

Allowing them to join the EU could provide that, given that the EU also has a similar treaty to protect each other in the case of an attack.

They failed a lot of benchmarks to join pre invasion, they are good bit away from that yet. The long term goal absolutely should be ascending to the EU but right now they need a iron clad security guarantee. The budapest memorandum security assurance wasn't worth the paper it was written on, they need a guarantee that if Putin invades again there is a joint military response from allies.

There is a big difference in providing a security guarantee and having Ukraine in NATO.

Even Trumps plan allows Ukraine to join the EU. There is a precedent for an occupied country joining the EU i.e. Cyprus.

Ukraine is being treated like a Soviet satellite country.

Deputy foreign minister Ryabkov stating no concessions on the root causes of the conflict and goals of the SMO. All negotiations will be discussed on the basis of the agreement reached in Alaska.

I am curious to what Trump and his team agreed in Anchorage.

**** all it sounds like

GAZ Group, one of Russia's largest carmakers, is struggling with a serious staff shortage.

A four-day workweek has been introduced at the car giant, which is one of Russia's largest industries, which has lowered wages and increased the workload. Wages cut by 20%. Thousands of workers leaving because wages are too low.

Mechanics, electricians, welders and plumbers are now leaving their jobs in Nizhny Novgorod, reports the Moscow Times.

"We can't live on these wages anymore. Many of us have to find other work, otherwise we won't make it," a factory worker told the Telegram channel Mash.

The introduction of the four-day workweek in July has cut wages by about 20 percent and triggered a rapid outflow of staff.

Equipment is being left without maintenance, which further hampers production.

The crisis at GAZ and AvtoVAZ (which also also introduced a 4 day week) threatens Putin’s entire industrial machinery and risks further delaying production in an already weak economy.

Absolute scum.

The Ukrainians should tell the Americans to go **** themselves and throw everything at the Russians.

I don’t usually comment on this thread but as a daily reader, it amazes me that the constant bad faith posting by that person is allowed to continue unabated. Absolutely no interest in discussing anything, link dumping from a range of dodgy sources and twitter accounts and refusing to engage in any discussion or answer any questions put to them in response to their own posts.

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that’s what Vatniks do…

the lowest of the low scum of the Earth.

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I hope Boards.ie get brought down for platforming Russian disinformation. There's absolutely zero upside in allowing it other than cash.

Blood on your hands Boards.

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Ive flagged numerous posts for exactly those reasons.

If enough people flag these posts then maybe mods will act.

Poster is a complete shill and it devalues the thread.

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