Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

It's not going to get sorted in a week this thing. It's going to take months and months to finalise. Too much speculation and leaks from the press confusing everyone also.

Sounds like the Russians reject any Europeans having a role in any negotiations like they said in the past and just dealing with the US and Ukraine now.

The US is the world's biggest superpower, by a long shot. It has a singular president.

Europe is over 40 countries that "work together". They aren't the same thing and the two situations aren't very comparable.

I fully agree that Europe needs to grow teeth, gear up, etc, etc - but it's not easy. And dealing with Trump on top of that is not easy (for anyone).

As for Kallas's comments - it's a very large game of 3D chess going on and game theory, all sides are asking for things they know they won't get to leverage other demands. Privately I would suspect a whole bunch of players know the Russians will reject all this - but are positioning so that the optics once again reflect on how unreasonable/irrational Putin's Russia is - all topped off in being forced to vie for Trump's random whims.

Ending a war by rewarding the agressor is a sure way to deter any other countries to have the same idea and least of all, China.

It is not true that theyve gone back to the original Trump plan. But the White House is saying more talks are needed with Russia and Ukraine. Bricksters posts on this conflict should be treated with a pinch of salt as they always give rose tinted accounts for Russia of whats going on on the battlefield.

Visegrád 24 in the past has been accused of sharing false or unverified content. For instance, a claim that Leonardo DiCaprio donated $10 million to Ukraine was posted and later retracted.

Babading, would you not acknowledge that the progress to democracy in the world - including the West - was a violent process, punctuated by war, revolution, and protest not always peaceful? Would it have been better then to stick with absolute monarchy just to have military peace? I personally don't think so.

Bricksters posts on this conflict should be treated with a pinch of salt as they always give rose tinted accounts for Russia of whats going on on the battlefield.

Or what ever BlyatGPT happens to be spitting out at the time…

No.

Biden and most European leaders didn't have options to "de-escalate" this conflict. It's an invasion of choice by Putin that was going ahead regardless. There are no legitimate validations for it. No legitimate grievances. It's to conquer territory and subjugate and redraw borders.

These leaders have relatively normal values and principles

Putin sycophants like Trump (Orban, etc) don't have those values - therefore, in an ironic way, Putin is more likely to do a deal with them.

That's it. There's nothing more high level than that.

I'll welcome any respectable peace - but if it's "achieved" through Trump it's only because of Trump's hideous faults and fondness for dictators - not anything of principle or value. If a used carpet salesman gets a deal with Putin - likewise.

In the end any deal has to be acceptable to the two countries at war. No amount of deal artistry or general jiggery-pokery can get around that awkward fact. We are also being told by our American friends that both sides will have to make compromises. Remind me what Russia is doing in that regard.

He is so eager to be in Putins good books its bizarre.

Lavrov confirming that 'understandings' were reached in Alaska and that they will not accept any proposals that are in conflict with that. Trump not to be trusted under any circumstances.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-amended-us-peace-plan-must-reflect-spirit-letter-trump-putin-summit-2025-11-25/

Negotiations behind Ukraines back are not going to end this. In fact they are more likely to prolong the war. Peoples livelihoods and property in Ukraine are at stake. If you had spent your life building up.a business or saving for a house, or paying a mortgage, would you accept handing all that over to Putin? If you are a farmer, would you accept a deal handing it over to Putin? Because it's been reported a Russian oligarch called Tkachev seized 400,000 acres of farmland in occupied Ukraine.

Meanwhile, reports a Russian Tapir Class warship has been hit by a Ukrainian drone.

Danish authorities spotted Russian military aboad vessels of the ghost fleet. Possible connection to drones over Denmark recently. Also the Dutch tried ground based weapons to shoot down drones. Oslo airport suspended traffic because of drones recently.

Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it's Drone Guy

All down to Drone Guy, it doesn't inspire confidence

I simply cannot see Ukraine agreeing to giving up land. So it’s already a non starter from the Russians bullshit point of view.

The fact Ukraine is even entertaining this “plan” is applaudable

Yep, we all know where did is going, Putin will refuse a deal, and Zelensky will get blame