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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No you haven't, you are only interested in things that deflect from the overarching destructive and destabilising effects of colonisation.

    That is why you have lost all shreds of your credibility here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    You say " nobody suggested it (colonisation) was all bad". I am saying you suggested it was. Care to list positive things about British colonisation so, if you want to prove me wrong?

    I'll be delighted to see it sticking in your craw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     I am saying you suggested it was.

    I didn't.

    I have actually spoken of the benefits of their engineering prowess and the infrastructure they built.
    While not 'sticking in my craw' (I think the de-colonised are over it and are happy to preserve and secure the heritage surrounding their presence) the positive benefits there were should not obscure the fact that it was primarily built to exploit and secure the colony by force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Never saw you admitting they built infrastructure ? In Singapore they were there to trade and that beneffitted everyone. Free port. Free trade. Education . Open economy. Common law. Publiic service. And English language helped trade throughout the world too. The study from Singapore does not mention much about exploitation. Singapore is now a leading country, if not the leading country, in Asia. Are they exploiting everyone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Never saw you admitting they built infrastructure ?

    I reckon that has to do with your inability to properly digest information and points of view.

    I guess that is why you have to keep pointing elsewhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Never saw you having the point of view the Britsh done something positive before.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    The 1770 famine took place in Bengal.

    The British East Indian Company were in control of the region at the time. They taxed the bejaysus out of the local population and strongly encouraged them to grow opium (so that they could get rich destroying China with it) instead of regular food crops. So when a terrible drought hit the region and the rice harvest failed, the locals had **** all money to buy **** all food.

    As famine set in the brits did next to nothing to help the people. Instead hoarding what little food was left for their own troops and markets.

    Then, as you said, about 10 million people died.

    To be honest with you, I'm not sure why you brought this up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    I did not bring up the Bengal famine of 1770. Your above account is exaggerated: some estimates put the death toll at 1 million, not 10 million, but even 1 death is too many. There is much of colonisation that was wrong, especially when you look back hundreds of years ago and judge events by standards of the 20th and 21st centuries. The British had fought the French for control of east Bengal just shortly before 1770, and Portugal was also involved in exploiting the far east wherever it could. There were hundreds of famines in India before the British arrived. However, the subcontinent was free of famine between the 1900s and 1943, partly due to the railway and other improved communications. Rail transport played an essential role in supplying grain from food-surplus regions to famine-stricken ones.

    In the last 7 to 9 years, between 2016–18, 194 million of 810 million undernourished people globally lived in India, making the country a key focus for tackling hunger on a global scale.

    Incidentally, still in the far east, going to the same country which makes ipads, byd cars etc now, did you know that as recebtly as from 1959 to 1961 in China, there was what is considered one of the most devastating famines in history, with estimates of death tolls ranging from 15 million to 50 million people. I suppose you think that was the fault of the British too, they could easily have built railways for the Chinese back then and supplied in food to stop the famine, even though China was a different country? The British were next door in Hong Kong. When the British 99 year lease of Hong Kong came to an end in 1997 nearly all of the people in Hong Kong wanted the lease to continue, and did not want the British administration to leave.

    From wiki: British colonial rule indubitably benefited Hong Kong, through measures ranging from establishing key infrastructure and the rule of law, from propelling the city's economic miracle in the 1960s to leading its world-class civil service.

    After nearly 8 decades of independence, 194 million under-nourished people are living in India, while Hong Kong, Singapore Australia, New Zealand etc have much higher per capita GDP.

    The French were in Vietnam, Laos etc. Dutch in Indonesia. Spanish in the Philippines. Portugese in Macau. What are their per capita GDPs do you think? Japan had its own colonial empire, like Korea and Taiwan. Lets not go there.

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    You did bring up the bengal famine of 1770. The person you'd been talking to was referencing a more recent famine that britain was also largely responsible for.

    I dipped in and out of the rest of your reply. I'm afraid it does not meet my standards. I won't be giving it a proper read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    I was not the one who brought up the subject of the Bengal famine of 1770, or the previous famines in India before the British arrived. Anyway you did not answer the questions, and while talk of India, Singapore etc and colonisation by many different countries in Asia is very interesting as I lived in some of those places, it is off topic so I'm not talking about that again on this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭csirl


    We"re way way down several.rabbits holes on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mná na hÉireann keeping the pressure on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    great thread

    keeps all the shinnerbots from cluttering up other threads with the wild fantasy's and party propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    good morning.

    How have you all been.
    since a few posters continue to have me excluded from discussions, it just motivates me to come back.
    Ironically, if they didn’t keep reporting me, I guess I would feel my input wasn’t challenging them and I probably would have lost interest long ago.
    Again, I will not be reading back through the pages so not sure if you have been covering the wonderful developments in Northern Ireland. All the posters who have been telling us we’ll just have to suck it up, must be struggling.
    you got to hand it to this man, he’s definitely making strides. Lawfare, as he calls it, is working!

    https://x.com/jamiebrysonllb/status/1991909839812051081?s=46



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'strides' towards what exactly?

    Promoting the UK union?

    Or just giving belligerents a fleeting cheap feel good glow in the union's dying days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    IMG_1549.jpeg

    self explanatory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Naturally suspicious of a graphic that quotes Dublin, cork and Galway rental prices in sterling, I laboriously typed out the lengthy url in the graphic to check the source. I got a "page not found" response.

    This didn't completely astonish me; the "cy" element of the url tells me that, if this were a link to a genuine web page on the Office of National Statistics website, it would be a link to a page in Welsh. Why would the ONS be publishing a comparison of NI and RoI rentals in Welsh? Why would loyalists, whose ignorance of and aversion to celtic languages is notorious, be reading it or linking to it? (Not to mention, why would the ONS be surveying RoI rent levels at all?)

    So, putting it as charitably as I can, the big red "FACT CHECKED" stamp on this graphic has to be taken with a wee grain of salt. If the producers of the graphic have checked their facts, they have gone to some trouble to conceal how they did so.

    In general, of course, it's true that rents are much higher in the Republic than in NI. There are a variety of reasons for that, bujt one of the principal ones is that NI is a more depressed economy with lower wage rates. I'm not sure, if I were an advocate for the union, that I would want to draw attention to this, but no doubt the loyalists have their own reasons for doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Welcome back Downcow. Nothing much has happened here since the Presidential election.

    Her husband, a farmer of less than 100 acres, suffered huge sectarian abuse, as did HH herself. A real eye opener for those who thought they might not. So a U.I. is further away than ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Also only 38% of adults in the Republic have free access to healthcare. I think I am correct in thinking 100% of people in N.I. do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Got a few nasty comments on twitter and FB.

    Her campaign was the problem, beset by incompetence and lack of direction from the start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's not just 'jaw's dropping' the penny is dropping that what NI has and holds dear is not all it is cracked up to be.

    We take the best of both and build a new island wide system that works for Ireland as a whole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Early in the campaign (September 2025), one poll and some bookmakers (like Paddy Power) had suggested Humphreys was the favourite. However once the sectarian campaign was launched against Humphreys and her family, involving people in balaclavas putting up posters drawing attention to the OO, and involving thousands of comments on facebook and twitter etc against HH, and photo-shopped picturers of HH in a sash etc, her popularity went down everwhere except in her native Co. Monaghan/Cavan area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Her popularity went downhill when she started doing debates.

    This "sectarian campaign" stuff is just hyperbole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The current situation, as it has been for years, is only 38% of adults in the Republic have free access to healthcare. It is not unusual for a "Squuzed middle" family to have to fork out over €1000 per year in GP fees, €100 a+e fees etc.

    100% of people in N.I. have free access to healthcare.

    You post a link showing some doctor in Dublin would like the opportunity to gouge the middle income families in N.I. with doctors fees of 60 or 70 euro each time to say hello. Ain't gonna happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you want to be believe a few comments on FB and twitter caused the implosion of Humphey's campaign then work away. History will record that it was down to other factors entirely.
    Her background never featured in the campaign after the Daily Mail attempted to get answers.
    And let's not forget who made headlines for conducting 'smear' campaigns and who had to constantly face questions about that smear campaign..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, the link shows an NI doctor talking about 'jaw dropping' when they got to see the southern system.

    As I said, the penny is dropping that a mixture of the two systems is nothing to fear and will lead to what the south has already - better outcomes. Which is kinda the point of a health system - not how much you can get for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The sectarian tarring against HH and her family (thousands of nasty comments on social media for all to see, photo-shopped pictures of HH with a sash on, election posters referencing HH with the OO being put on lamp-posts by a man in a balaclava etc) was a real eye opener for those who thought the Republic had moved on from that.

    Many people in N.I. commented if that is the sectarian abuse HH - a proud republican- received, what hope would they have in a U.I.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    People in NI comment all the time on things.
    Ever read some of them commenting on the sectarian one party state they were subjected to and the parties of that state still wanting their suprematist 'veto'?

    Do those 'commenting' on a UI and a handful of comments on FB from god knows who, ever 'comment' on that still pervasive sectarianism and the Order that still hasn't moved on from it's strident sectarianism of the past?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The sectarian posters against HH were put up in the Republic, the election was in the Republic, and thousands of sectarian comments were made on social media against HH here in the Republic, as well as some made directly to her and her family.

    I do not know why you are defending the above, even the party leader of the party you follow, Mary Lou McD condemned the sectarian campaign against HH.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,067 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn't defend it…stop please.

    You have made claims about these comments that don't stand up to scrutiny.

    And if folk in NI are commenting then I would like to see what they have to say with regard to sectarianism from their own community.

    But of course you only wish to comment on certain manifestations of sectarianism…which is typical.



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