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EVs and solar panels

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Well currently electricity is more or less tied to gas price.

    Until that is decoupled, if electric goes up, it will be well after the gas price goes up (like we seen in 2022).

    A new house built with a low heat loss and good heating design practices will be cheap to heat no matter what way you heat it. Be it heatpumps, oil, gas, farts the amount of heat required will be low.

    (And if people mention what happens in a power outage.. the oil/gas doesn't run either in a power outage.)

    Using rough numbers if you had a diesel generator, it would be cheaper to run a heatpump via a generator on gasoil (agri diesel) than burn it for heat. I'm assuming the generator would be 40% efficient and a COP of at least 3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,223 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You'll be grand until the sun dies off, so a few million years atleast. More panels. More batteries. Add a genny if you feel it's warranted.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Who know how long the sun has to go however. It could dry up in a couple of years.

    There's not enough chargers around and they're all broken.

    EV's are expensive.

    Electric cars go on fire if you look at them.

    EV's can trap their passengers inside and cook them to death.

    I don't like electric cars (won't say why)

    My neighbour had an EV and it drove itself away one night - never again!

    Electric cars are for latte-sipping hipsters, not real women.

    Oil will make a comeback!!

    The sun is not the way forward, one of my friends says its days are numbered. Sure, it disappears every bleedin' night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Ev fan


    I agree. Put as much wattage on the roof as you can. Install plenty of battery capacity as well at least to match your daily electric usage. If you’re worried about power outages then you could mitigate it somewhat by installing an isolator switch as well. Gary Does Solar is a good channel to get the ins and outs on installation and the various choices that can be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,162 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 hfenton



    That's useful to know about it being coupled to gas prices.

    Unlike a lot of people who are either rabidly pro electric car, electric heat pumps etc. or rabidly against, I don't care what source of energy I use, as long as it has plenty of competition and isn't subject to a future Irish/EU cartel, or poor infrastructure and ever increasing demand, that will shaft us all in prices down the road, and I couldn't care less about the politics nonsense. Others can knock themselves out on that. As a result it’s hard to get the unbiased truth from any source. Do I trust the excited hype or the excited anti-hype ?

    Regarding the new house, I'm putting the primary effort into insulation.

    I've a very well insulated house at the moment that is very cheap to heat on solid fuel and ordinary rads, with an oil as backup/boost, and it's cheaper to heat monthly than friends new A rated houses on heat pumps, who've spent an absolute fortune on M&E plant as well by comparison to the traditional M&E. I'm assuming they didn't do things right even though they have A2 certs etc. I don’t' understand spending all that money on M&E to end up with monthly bills much the same or in some cases more than, much cheaper oil and solid fuel installations would deliver on such well insulated houses.

    I’m going to try out heat pump / underfloor on this house, but my understanding is once you go down that route it’s not going to be easy running it on anything else other than electricity long term should anything happen the electricity prices, which have been shooting up in recent years, and there is no sign of electricity demand reducing anytime soon. Supply and demand dictates price, and I’m weary of Ireland ever catching up in sufficient supply, because Ireland does not have a track record of good utility infrastructure, and I can’t see that changing. As for solar, I'm all for that, but I'm also not interested in a 30+ year payback investment in M&E equipment etc. just for bragging rights about being energy independent and cheaper monthly bills, it has to be much less than that overall to make it worth my while, closer to 10 - 15 years

    I'm looking for the most cost effective balance overall, and I don't care what the fuel / energy source is. If long term it happens to be trusting all electric as being the most economical total overall cost for everything, car and all, for 10-15 year span, great I'm all in. It's all just a means to an end to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭mr chips


    I'm not sure where you got the notion of a 30-year payback period for solar - that's way off. Just for a bog-standard 4kWp installation that we got 10 years ago without a battery, the payback period turned out to be less than 8 years, and the price of panels has fallen since then while the efficiency has increased. Our setup has performed well enough that I've now acquired a battery and hybrid inverter, which will be installed once my new garage is built - hopefully before Christmas! Like you, I'm also not at the stage of ploughing thousands into a heat pump, but I'm planning on increasing the size of the array in order to be able to run my household (including hot water, but not central heating), my EV and my business almost entirely independent of the grid. It'll absolutely be worth my while from a financial POV - this time, I'm looking for a payback in under 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,162 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I just sold some 390W solar panels for €39

    One of these panels south facing anywhere near the east coast of Ireland makes 390kWh per year. If you are with Pinergy, like I am, you get €0.25 per kWh, so €97.50 per year

    If you can install the panel yourself with no further cost and you install on May 1st, the panel will have fully paid for itself before the end of July. Of that same year. Payback period less than 3 months.

    Solar PV in Ireland is amongst the most profitable in the world

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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