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Reports of opposition to the plan in the Senate.
Yes global and European. The poster was suggesting Trump was doing it for an energy price decrease for his voters - the US would see only a very minor drop, if even.
In Father Ted, one of the priests asked 'what about another mass'. Following the European leaders' activities recently, coalition of the Willing, the EU, the E£, etc I think one could ask, 'what about another meeting'.
They had already agreed to that when Ukraine gave up it's nukes. Besides it's also against international law.
However, Russia previously broke that the first point, with the "separatists", the annexation of Crimea and the actual invasion. (They also shot down a civilian airliner with a missile system you can't pickup on the black market.)
Repeated violations of the first point on the list over many years.
All of this is true, but if it was the only stumbling block it would never get in the way - it is just a sop to their bullshit "Ukraine was threatening to us" narrative. The active Ukrainian armed forces will almost certainly be below that number regardless in a post-conflict environment.
There are far worse aspects to the whole agreement.
The whole point of the peace plan is to look semi reasonable to stupid observers(Trump and Vatniks) while at the same time having so many poison pills that Ukraine and the EU can't swallow it.
The 600k troop thing is egregious because:
Large parts of the document is written ambiguously like this for that purpose. So that Russia can just claim Ukraine breached one of the terms in a few years and invade again.
The main issue is Trump is very stupid and wants a political win while this whole Epstein thing is churning and bubbling.
European leaders statement on Russias 28 point peace plan for the Ukraine conflict.
Israel manages it with reserves. I suppose it depends whether the stipulation applies to them also, but there is no way they will keep that large an active, fully professional force.
Like, the "deal" is complete garbage, I just don't think that is the worst of it.
Israel manages it with 25% of Ukraine's pre war population. Admittedly funded by the US but the EU can help with that. Its for our own security ultimately. Ukraine is an important buffer against Russia moving into the Balkans.
A Russian helicopter got promoted to smouldering wreck
Honestly, that would be the part I'd be least worried about. There is no way Ukraine can maintain an armed forces of over 600k in peace time anyway.
Well, we’ve got a very simple system for this. If it is something you have sourced, it’s likely Russian propaganda.
Since you are willing to post videos of Vlad spewing stuff, perhaps you can upload the video where he explains the rationale for bombing children in their homes. Can you get that video please?
Reports European leaders want to go to Washington to meet with Trump. The EU expressing concerns about aspects of the deal , especially the part weakening the Ukrainian military.
Why can't Ukraine, be sold, or invaded by Poland with Ukraine surrendering without a bullet fired???
Energy independent or not, Russian sanctions being lifted would almost certainly decrease global energy prices.
However, I can't in a million years see Europe agreeing to that (among multiple other issues).
Ireland did exist as a state in 1921. It was declared in 1916
Yeah, that's not how it works. Ireland did not exist as a State in 1916, 1919 or 1921.
Of course, we did eventually end up with a State in no small part because they kept fighting. However, any attempt to draw any parallels between Russia/Ukraine and the situation in Ireland in the 20th century are incredibly stupid.
The US is largely energy independent (one of the largest producers of oil and gas in the world) - even before sanctions they imported very little Russian oil/gas. The limiting factor for the US is refining capacity, which is their bottleneck.
If the war ended tomorrow, US citizens would not discover a significant drop in their energy prices.
Trump wants the Nobel prize.
Of course they have the details: They wrote the thing.
You never know for sure do you ? At least we know the Russians have details of Trumps plan now and sounds very much like the ball is in Ukraine's court now on how they want to proceed.
Niall Ferguson is defending the deal, though says parts like war criminals amnesty are hard to swallow.
Its appalling that the butchers of Bucha and Mariupol will get off scot free. The war rapists. The soldier's in the video castrating the Ukrainian POW. These are the most barbaric war crimes in Europe since Bosnia and probably WW2.
Lifting the sanctions would be a disaster. Putin would rebuild his war chest and we will be back here in a few years or months.
A military neutered Ukraine would be subject to constant pressure from Russia like France was after the armistice of 1940. With a guarantee of no western troops or NATO membership, Ukraine could be vassalised and lose its democracy like Georgia has.
When you put something for sale and you get an insulting offer you don't bother replying with a counter because the gap is too much,, it's Russia are the ones looking for peace before they have to sell all their gold, they should be told not even close.
But the so called "peace plan" doesn't guarantee any sort of a permanent peace for Ukraine. Everyone seems well aware that the Russians will more than likely invade Ukraine again in future - it might even be used by the Russians as a chance to rearm and rebuild and to prepare for the second invasion, this time with the intention of taking all of Ukraine.
If russia fired 800 drones into NATO protected airspace Moscow would be a smouldering ruin
What nonsense.It is obvious because Trump want lower energy prices. He is looking at the polls and seeing affordability is No 1 issue facing people. Ending the Ukraine war here would be a huge help to drive prices down even further. It's key to the mid- terms next year. They know it.
Here's Bessent saying the key to unlocking affordability is lower energy.
'Maybe they have fallen for the Russian propaganda', you didn't just write that lmao
Quite a realistic post from the US vice president on the situation. The US seem to be far more pragmatic about the current situation on the battlefield where others seem to have no idea at all of the real situation.
They seem to be far more aware that more sanctions and more weapons are not going to change the inevitable outcome, just prolong it and make it far worse, especially for Ukraine and others.
Maybe they have fallen for the Russian propaganda or something i don't know, but you would hope the Pentagon is well aware of the critical situation Ukraine faces now.
Ukraine’s UN representative regarding the so-called peace plan: "Ukraine has officially received from the American side a draft plan. We outlined the fundamental principles that matter to our people. We agree to work on the plan’s provisions in a way that would bring about a just end of the war. In this context, allow me to make several critical points. First, while Ukraine stands ready to engage in meaningful negotiations to end this war, including at the leaders’ level, our red lines are clear and unwavering. There will never be any recognition, formal or otherwise, of Ukrainian territory temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation as Russian. Our land is not for sale. Ukraine will not accept any limits on its right to self-defense or on the size and capabilities of our armed forces. Nor will we tolerate any infringement on our sovereignty including our sovereign right to choose the alliances we want to join. Any genuine peace process must respect the fundamental principle: nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine, and nothing about Europe without Europe. And let me be equally clear, we will not reward the genocidal intent that underpins Russian aggression by undermining our identity, including our language. Second, support for Ukraine is indispensable. Peace requires strength and security and sustained financial assistance to Ukraine. Reinforcing Ukraine’s defense capabilities is not an escalation. It is the only path to compelling Russia to engage constructively in international peace efforts. In this regard, we express profound gratitude to all partners and allies. This support is an investment in the rules-based international order and global peace. Third, the Kremlin regime will not stop unless it is stopped through unyielding and concerted pressure. There is only one realistic path to ending this war. Russia must be compelled to retreat economically, politically, and militarily."
Isn’t it obvious why Trump is pushing this deal to happen asap? I doubt he’s even aware of it’s contents..
He’s going to be outed as a pedophile next week… he’ll deny it of course and call it a Democrat hoax etc….. but what better way to ‘bury’ that story than with the even bigger story of ending ‘Sleepy Joe’s War’….
And if Ukraine don’t play ball, well who knows he might even invade Venezuela….. anything to deflect from the news about him being a pedophile.
He can't sign it, nothing will come of this deal. I don't think they believe Zelenski will sign it, not sure what the US are at but probably political reasons for the proposed deal rather than a genuine attempt to end the war.
They're hardly going to say different, will they ? They believe they can strong-arm Ukraine into this, but there's nothing to indicate that that's what'll happen.
