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Can't find filling loop

  • 20-11-2025 08:33PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭


    Boiler has low pressure. I've no idea how to top it up. It's a Logic 18IE. I can't see any filling loop.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭stephenmarr


    That 1/2 Gate valve top picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I thought that myself. Opened it, nothing happened. I'm assuming I'm missing something incredibly obvious here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    WWhat Pressure does it normally sit at? And try tapping the one-way valve below the gate valve with a stout screwdriver or light hammer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭bren2001


    It's currently sitting at around 0.5/0.6 bar.

    The pipe with the 1/2 gate valve runs to the tank in the attic. I think the valve is simply to cut off water to the hot water tank if needed. There's an old feed and expansion tank in the attic which, I assume, is from the old system as the Logic 18IE is a sealed system.

    I'll try tapping the pipe alright but I don't think its the filling loop (I also have zero idea what I am talking about!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    If you trace it down you can see that it's connecting into the bottom of the cylinder, part of the heating coil in the tank. So would seem to be the filling loop alright. If it's coming off the attic tank which is around 2m above the system then the max system pressure would be around 0.2 bar. I think that's called a low-pressure sealed system. So that's why I asked about the normal pressure of the system as it might not ever be expected to be above that value.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭bren2001


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    The blue line connecting to the 1/2 gate valve runs to the bottom of the tank. (i assume is just fills it up?). The red line is the coil return. The pipe from the attic (blue line) runs behind the yellow box and doesn't connect to it in any way. I don't see where the coil return and the supply from the tank interact.

    The documentation for the boiler indicates the minimum operating pressure is 0.3 bar so I don't think it is a low-pressure sealed system.

    Apologies if I am being dumb here, I'm just trying to top up my boiler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    Did you try open that red valve and listen to hear if it fills?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    The blue line is the coil feed, red is coil return (or can be the other way around in reality). The tank feed (replenishment) is elsewhere, usually at the rear. Just fire up the boiler to heat the tank so we are all agreed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,842 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Ah! That makes sense.

    When I fire up the boiler both the coil feed and the return should be hot? (obviously at the point of entry/exit not near the red valve).

    Yeah but nothing happened. There's a second red valve in the attic which is also connected to this pipe so I might just need to figure out if 1 is open and the other is closed etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    Yes - more commonly called semi-sealed. It would never have been at any more than 0.2-0.5 bar.

    You will see a non return valve which in theory stops water going back into the cold water tank when the system heats up.

    Not a great job. But I wouldn’t be converting it to fully sealed unless I had to. The higher pressure can often expose leaks in older systems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I converted my semi-sealed over to fully-sealed 2 years ago having eliminated all leaks before that. I put a pressure sender onto it so that I can get notified if the pressure drops below 1bar. So far I only topped up to 1.5bar in Feb, so delighted with the lack of leaks since.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Coil feed will be hot and return will be warm to hot. yep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    very good. What are you using to monitor the pressure?



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