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Blanchardstown SC to charge for parking

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Easy on the outrage lance. Its just sarcasm. None of this has anything to do with cycling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think the issue with the multi story is more that once the road outside is busy it's hard to exit. Then it all backs up. Most cars parks have the traffic inside looping around. But it's not a great design I'll give you that.

    Everything in the center is compromised by the dumb main entry and exit routes which all conflict with the local traffic that's not going into the center. All the car parks could have direct entry up off the main entrances. Instead all the traffic goes through the same roundabouts entering and leaving. Never going to fix that. It was built too close to local estates.

    Paying for parking was only a matter of time. Another money grab. I don't find it that slow in Liffey Valley. But the general traffic in that general area is now so bad the car parks barriers make little difference.

    Blanch is the same the general traffic volume has risen so much every where it's congested now. More congested and peak time is stretching earlier and later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭no.8


    Fair enough. My sarcasm meter was out due maintenance. Sincere apologies



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,530 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    re the 'try getting a family of five on your crossbar to the centre'; sure the way traffic is there at times, it's very possible that it would sometimes be the quickest option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You won't get 5 bikes into a 4 bay bike locker..

    One of mine started going on their bike because the buses are so unreliable. Personally I just avoid the SC at peak times and days whenever I can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    A few years ago, just before Christmas, I jogged 2.5km to the centre and easily beat the drivers. I was collecting some library books.

    Even outside of the extra busy Christmas time I find cycling up there as quick if not quicker than driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Simple fact is that if you live or work in the area you might take a spin by if you fancy a coffee or something, take a stroll around and might do a bit of impulse buying while you're there.

    Now you probably won't bother going over for the coffee, just head elsewhere for it to one of the many large service stations around.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,436 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    By the time I've unlocked the bikes got it out of the shed/garage, I'll be already at the SC in the car off peak. Off peak is a bit of lottery though.

    This isn't about cycling though. I'm not spending hours in the the center where a parking charge is going to influence me either way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,035 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Who gives a stuff about cycling back?

    I hardly would have cycled to pick up the week's shopping in the first place, so I'll just just be turning the car around and not even going back to Blanch, I'll go to a smaller place like Roselawn, or Super Valu, or a Centra, to get anything I forgot, yet need right away. But I WILL be driving.

    What car parking charges in Blanch mean, as they have in Liffey Valley, is that I'm not going to go there just to kill a couple of hours, to browse, to get coffee and a danish etc, I'm only going to go there for something specific, whether thats the weekly shop for a couple of hundred quid, or some clothes, or a purchase for the home, also at that hundreds of Euro in value. In other words, I'll be making my few Euro in parking charge worthwhile.

    You ask about factoring in the extra petrol and time cost? Well, let me tell you something about real economics.

    I have calculated that we use the cars in our family for 12% of the week, out of 168 hours.

    For that, we pay €1,500 in motor tax and €900 in insurance, as fixed costs, and something like €2,000 in service and maintenance, which are relatively fixed.

    So it actually benefits me to use the cars EVEN MORE, to dilute those fixed costs and get more value for them. In fact, to avoid Dunnes and Aldi and M&S in Blanch altogether, I'll happily drive to Tesco in Maynooth or Super Valu in Dunboyne or Aldi in Clonee and avail of their very plentiful free parking. And as for time, with the queues coming off the N3 into Blanch Centre on a Saturday or Sunday, I'd probably be as well off, time wise, anyway.

    Parking charges have done nothing good for Liffey Valley, except allow them to gain planning for their more recent follies. This step by Blanch is exactly the same, except that they desire to build massively intensive residential blocks, and so these parking charges are, for them, spending 10 cents to make 100 Euro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It is true a car is mostly a fixed cost. Once you have it, you might aswell use it. Only something like very bad congestion or very high extra charges will change that habit.

    There was a time I would go to the SC and hangout somewhere like borders with a coffee shop and books etc. These days is too expensive to do that, and there's little to browse anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,035 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Ah Borders, God be with the days. It was a really great store back in the early days of the Retail Park, but Amazon killed it off, it its original incarnation as an online book retailer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Same as ourselves. Lugging a toddler and newborn on a bus or even walking down just isn't worth the stress/hassle.
    We regularly kill time around the SC at the weekends she'll get a coffee and we might pop into Dunnes grab something small for the dinner and then hit pennys spend a few bob on clothes and maybe grab a book in Easons. We might do these things over 2-3 visits at the weekend. This will stop now and I can bet many people in D15 operate this way. They will lose business over this and for the people quoting Liffey Valley hasn't lost business I'd love to see the hard evidence. I can bet many tenants are seeing less footfall and especially from locals.

    The thing with Blanch was it didn't have paid for parking so my brother for example would take his family over from the midlands and avoid liffey valley because (queues for parking and parking charges)

    Blanch will feel this harder than liffey valley in my opinion because the footfall which re-directed to blanch will now not bother with blanch as the parking isn't free.
    Will the centre close down- Absolutely not. But I will cut my trips by at least 70% and I reckon that will be the case for a lot of people particularly families with small kids.
    You will see smaller business go bust at a faster rate and bigger business take a small hit and it will be disguised as cost of living.

    On the plus side this will save me a few quid also another thing worth mentioning is Dunnes just brought in click and collect at blanch which I was using. Back to Charlestown I go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,600 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'd love to see the hard evidence that LV has lost business through their parking charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Can't say the paid parking in LV has caused queues. All of the traffic there is outside the SC. It's a very smooth system.

    Unlike Blanch where it's congested since it opened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is astonishing that someone who lives out near Dundrum Shopping Centre in the privileged southside is able to understand how a regional shopping centre on the outskirts of Dublin works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,600 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Morag


    Great so instead of idiots parking on paths and on corners in the estates around the center will be an all year around issue, rather than just December.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,471 ✭✭✭rameire


    I dont believe there is planning in place for the Westend Retail park, so this will be packed when the charges come in.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Gerlad


    Poor old Verona and the gym will need to start issuing car park fobs for their members



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    It should not be difficult to give free passes to employees - that would kill that argument. The downside is that it would encourage more driving instead of incentivising active travel.

    The argument about the trees being removed, I think that those are the small trees are those between existing parking spots. Even though they are likely over 20 years old they aren't very big - maybe they are 'pot bound' in the small plots they are in. Maybe they could be moved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭GHendrix


    When you factor in parking charges and all the self service machines these days, I think it just makes more sense to order online and do something more meaningful with your time anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭daymobrew




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,353 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Stillorgan Shopping Centre introduced parking charges this week also. Been a few years since I've parked there, busy spot and it's a much smaller footprint to Blanch but not dissimilar in that it's a grocery outlet that's the key tenant and attraction. Most people I suspect travel to it and Blanch by car to do their grocery shopping and while there might pick up a couple of items in other stores so if the large grocery stores don't offer tokens or parking validation for ~2hrs then they're surely to see a drop in footfall and thus returns.

    In the interview below the key problem appears to be all day parkers including commuters, staff and the retailers themselves (strange angle including staff and the retailers as problematic but agree commuters shouldn't be abandoning their cars clogging up the place for shoppers, it's not a park and ride facility)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭Dr_Teeth


    The one silver lining to moving to paid parking would be if the centre only allowed free/subsidized parking for staff in whatever carpark is furthest away from the entrances. :) Over beside Mr Price sounds good to me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    The submission by Fingal's Transportation department says "495 staff car parking spaces will be consolidated on the 2 and 3rd floor of Blue multistorey car park."

    I'm not sure if this is from their reading of the planning docs (I only looked at the maps back in September) or it's their suggestion. I would guess it's the former.

    The same submission mentioned the 2009 Framework doc for the Centre and how it "envisaged" parking charges!!
    Parking charges are encouraged by the Greater Dublin Area Transport Strategy 2023-2042 and the current Fingal Development Plan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Can't understand why people would willingly spend their free time going these kips like Blanch, Liffey Valley and Dundrum. I normally avoid them like the plague especially anywhere between mid November and late December.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,449 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Maybe because people want to go buy stuff? Bizarre I know.



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