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Blanchardstown SC to charge for parking

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Don't think so. It had three hours for the price of one hour, so there was a fairly minimal charge for most visits. Tesco gave a voucher too if you spent > €30 (iirc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thats not true.

    Motorists are the largest spenders, partly because they have more capacity to transport purchases home.

    If a shopping centre removed its 500 car park spaces and replaced them with 500 bike spaces, sales at the shopping centre would drop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Maybe Blanch will do something similar, at least for the first 12 months or so after the charges are brought in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭jeffk


    How is there nothing, I've had this on Reddit, tell me what people go to the centre for that isn't in Drogheda?

    The last time I was in swords was 5 something (because tried to park in the town centre or whatever its called), there's a place with nothing in it and if you're unlucky to be caught in the madness of the traffic layout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭jeffk


    I see people on about carrying stuff and bikes being robbed

    I linked my thread about the bike lockers by McDonald's etc

    I had a 900 euro 29mtb in one of them with gloves and helmet and was free for ten minutes i was in the centre



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You don't need a car to drop €500 or €1000 in Flannels or After Eight or Crystal Jewellers.

    "If a shopping centre removed its 500 car park spaces and replaced them with 500 bike spaces, sales at the shopping centre would drop."

    No one is suggesting this though. The suggestion is just that motorists pay a bit towards the costs of providing and maintaining the parking facilities they use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭atilladehun


    You'd have to expect that the SC jas loked at what has happened in Liffey Valley and the square and decided it's worth it. There are a number of retailers that have stores in two of those places and would have been able to.give some sort of feedback on the affects of the charges on customers.

    Maybe some customers stop going, maybe ones who are willing to pay go more frequently as traffic and parking improves?

    I'm definitely more likely to stop by M&S in LV now than before. I pass by regularly and used to dread the idea of going in. Now there seems to be less traffic so i nip in for so M&S treats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭gipi


    As an example, there are 2 or 3 women's clothing shops in Drogheda (excluding Dunnes and Penney's). There used to be more, Next and Marks are gone, and 2 other clothing shops closed in recent months (can't remember their name)

    There are 2 shopping centres in the middle of Drogheda - one is over 50% unoccupied. The main street has many empty units, vape shops and nail bars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭jeffk


    I'm going on what I'll go to and I'm guessing the old clientele of the centre did go for

    Dunnes

    Aldi

    Lidl

    Woodies

    Home store

    Sports direct

    Mr price

    Chemist warehouse

    Penny's

    Being on the larger size clothes etc shops never bothered me, then if that's what you want from a shopping centre and the price of clothing etc, paid parking won't put you off

    I really think that's why the centre has started to push towards a dundrum lite model, with those not getting with the programme soon gone (high turnover on units). Not too mention the revamp with the disaster of the spinning doors as a "highlight"

    Post edited by jeffk on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    Yes, cars can carry larger items than one can carry on a bike (or bus) but many trips people make to the centre do not involve making use of that capacity.

    If the car parks were removed (or reduced), more retail options could be added. The centre owners would probably love to do that but, as you suggest, sales would drop. So, this is a middle ground where car drivers pay for the space they take up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,436 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,152 ✭✭✭Polar101


    If you want to drive to buy a big expensive heavy item in the Centre, will a parking charge prevent you from doing that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I agree. I think this is the approach the owners take.

    They will expect some decline in car trips in the short term, but not enough to negatively impact the bottom line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,709 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes, I agree with the remarks on paid parking.

    The owners must have crunched the numbers and observed patterns at other shopping centres. They may see a decline in car visits in the short term but this will probably straighten itself out.

    It would be interesting to see the trend from Liffey Valley, after they introduced the charges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 dissq1


    I wonder how the retailers feel about it? Ultimately its an additional charge on their customers but they wont be the beneficiaries. You can be sure there isn't a rental reduction for the tenants. And what will happen over in Westend - are they going to be like the retail park at Liffey Valley and not charge for parking. Will Lidl then be at an advantage over Aldi because I can park there for free. Its the way things have gone so no real surprise to see it happen here. I've only ever gone to Dundrum twice and Liffey Valley once since they started charging for parking. Can't be bothered faffing around paying and then worrying if I stay another five minutes is it going to cost me an extra €3. I will definitely alter my shopping habits. Not that I wont go to the center for big items, but will start going to newsagents for cards, pharmacy etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭daymobrew


    Extremes are a pathetic way to completely dismiss one mode outright. Try fitting the American style fridge freezer in your boot. You'd need a van so cars must be useless. No!

    Choose the right tool for the job. For a family of 5 then a car is appropriate but it could be overkill for one person to return a few library books, buy some beer, some clothes, greeting cards, stamps or a few litres of milk.

    You will soon know the literal cost of using your car to get to the Centre. It's in your court whether you change your mode of transport to reduce that cost.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,530 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    isn't the plan to develop an apartment block on the westernmost car park?

    i guarantee you accountants are looking at land prices when developments like those are in play - and probably calculating how much the land is worth vs. how much each car load brings in.

    their calculation may simply be 'overall revenue for centre owners could fall by €Xm per year, but the land is worth €20Xm'

    so if they reduce the number of cars in the centre, they still make money from parking and from selling land.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 13,128 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Two things occurred to me as I re-read all of these posts to split them into a new thread:

    1. Are charges going to extend to the retail park where Currys, Home Focus etc are? This is where the bank of ecars EV chargers are accessed, will they expect EV drivers to pay to park plus pay to charge? Ditto for the chargers next to TGI Fridays
    2. Last time I was commuting by bus (a few years ago now to be fair) a large number of people were using the Smyths carpark as an unofficial park and ride, leaving their car and hopping on a 39A into town in the mornings. That will now be eradicated or reduced by the cost of parking there (maybe a good thing as far as the centre management are concerned). Where are those people going to try to leave their cars now…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭fliball123


    What a dumb idea parking added to petrol etc for driving there this will just push more and more people to go online there is nothing in Blanch that can not be got online. The people who will really feel this will be the shops in the center as footfall will be going right down they should be out in force telling the powers pushing this to cop on and to not charge a fee for parking. Personally I will be amazoning my xmas pressies and everything else this xmas - watch out for a number of business hitting the wall in blanch over 2026/2027 with this decision



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,530 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    What a dumb idea parking added to petrol etc for driving

    these two costs are unrelated though? the price of petrol, and how it impacts shoppers, is of no concern to the owners of the centre, nor should it be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Sorry it is a cost for anyone who needs parking as they will have to drive a car and these costs can be completely negated by using your phone to order what you need from say Amazon also saving the person the time it takes to drive there and back.

    As for no concern for the shoppers I would be careful with that people will vote with the feet or their in this case their phones the high street shop is in a serious decline at the moment and as our younger generation who have been brought up on an ideology of online shopping and our older generation dying off or getting used to using their phones for ordering what they need this stat is going to continue trending with people choosing to buy online.

    The owners and lack of concern for their patrons is their business but what it will mean is a pay cut for those working in the shopping center who will also have to pay the parking. Which means companies in there will have to pay more to keep staff which could have the knock on effect of no longer having a viable shop in the center. Liffey Valley springs to mind with amount of shop closures out that way since 2022 when they brought in parking fees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Everything posted here was practically posted word for word on the "Liffey Valley introduces parking charges " thread a couple of years ago with people saying there will be mass boycotts, all the shops will close amd how dead and empty LV was months after charges were introduced but guess what, LV is thriving, quality big name retailers are queuing to open in whatever vacant units rarely bevome available and the crowds haven't dispersed. People will post what they want to suit their own narrative and which often doesn't reflect the reality.

    I am interested however in how the 3 retail parks will operate. It would be a first in Ireland I think if the retail park carparks also start charging. If they remain free, they may become inundated with non shoppers which will create issues. I often park in the retail parks and walk over to the centre if I'm making purchases in both areas...they're close enough not to have to drive between them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,916 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    I think from the plans linked in the original thread(might have been moved to this one) the retail parks will all become paid parking too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    People will still shop in Blanchardstown. Might alter some people's shopping habits there. What i would be more concerned about is the extra traffic on the roads going to Blanchardstown shopping centre now. It can be mental in there with trying to get in and out. Especially at the roundabout in from of the hotel and cars trying to come off the motorway and cars going the opposite direction, can take ages to get around there. Imagine what it will be like now with having to wait for the car park barricade to come up for every car and the extra time will take cars to leave so more cars backed up for parking. Then delayed even more when some people don't pay to use car park and are at the barricade to get out talking on the intercom to parking attendant. Going to be worse traffic up there when this kicks in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,436 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    the multi story car park is stupid when it’s busy cause it routes all the leaving traffic in with the entry traffic… causing delays for everyone

    Similar enough with some of the other car parks, it’s like they want to trap you in rather than find a way to get traffic out of there quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,601 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That's not how things played out in Liffey Valley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,916 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    The Ben Dunne car park is going to be crazy once this happens. I'd say they'll have loads of people changing their arm parking there and walking to the centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    Id imagine that'll be policed pretty quickly if that happens. Good point made earlier about the added congestion as shoppers will be slower accessing and exiting barrier controlled carparks....if that becomes chronic, that more than anything could deter shoppers. I avoided the centre at weekends and month of December already because of the existing traffic congestion. The queues of cars on the N3 outbound exit lane for the SC in December would make anyone weep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,050 ✭✭✭jeffk


    Maybe because of the food court, only today liffey valley was mentioned as a German kebab place coming to it

    Blanch has been crying out for a food court and the last buzz (aside from drone delivery) I heard about the centre over a food place was kripsy kreme seven years ago (which lead too a lot of negativity and has long since died down)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭no.8


    Yawn. Please give a useful comment. Where in the world would a cyclist be charged to lock up a bicycle on a non-secured lock-up.

    Wtf is a the issue with cycling here? Barely anyone cycles in Blanch as is.



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