Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Jim O'Callaghan, who is looking to the (his) future, has managed to get the idea out of change bing needed in Ireland because of bad Brits.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/1117/1544411-ireland-immigration/

Ive always felt that we threw away a chance to control illegal immigration over the NI border in the Brexit talks. A FF councillor who suggested controls was shut down. A middle way could be found. Too much absolutism over freedom of movement. Sure its fine for Irish citizens but we should have the right to check whether people moving here are legally entitled to be here or not.

Meanwhile in a sign immigration is becoming a bigger issue in FF and FG, FG is to table a private members motion in the Seanad calling for speedier action on immigration. Justice Minister Jim O'Callaghan is to respond in person to it.

FF seems to feel a bit upstaged by this. I personally think Jim O'Callaghan is doing beter on this issue than his predecessor. If FG now appreciate the level of public concern on the issue than good. But actions will speak louder than words. I still remember when we were told the chances of the National Childrens Hospital not being ready years ago were smaller than the chances of "an asteroid" hitting Ireland.

The Fine Gael Private Members motion also raises the issue of the scale of the numbers, warning: ‘There are genuine concerns by local communities around the provision of international protection. Ireland, like every other democratic state, is not immune from the threat of violent extremism.’

Coalition partners at war over immigration as Fine Gael throws down gauntlet

Discussing this with a few friends lately and one made a point which I thought was pertinent.Issue them with a temporary work visa whilst they apply for asylum. Charge them rent etc if staying in state provided accommodation.

We constantly hear from our politicians that these people cane here to make a better life for themselves so let them at it. The ones who make an effort are welcome, the spongers will vanish.

The problem is social protection is way too exposed to abuse. The system is far too stacked in their favour. Level the playing field and let's see if Ireland is still such a desired destination.

"Coming for a better life" is not grounds for asylum.

Your attitude means opening the gates to the whole world.

If that was the law, I could claim asylum in NYC or SF, looking for a $200k wage.

It will be interesting to see what the government's response will be if the Brits pass these tougher immigration laws in the House of Commons.

We will definitely be seen as an attractive English speaking country for AS with immigration laws that are easy to exploit.

One of the main reasons our government need to speed up the system to process IP applications.

Why would a person go through the onerous work permit/visa system when they can just land here, claim IP, receive full bed and board, healthcare, medical card, travel card, education supports including third level, daily financial support, additional needs payments, free legal aid, and then get permission to work after 6 months? It’s a joke at this stage.

Also costing us billions every year, yet a significant number of do-gooders think anyone who questions this huge financial burden on the state and ordinary taxpayers are far-right, racist, nazis, patriots etc - whatever the label de-jour happens to be.

Maybe our elected representatives - of all hues - will belatedly cop on to the mood of the electorate and follow the UK’s lead to pass laws and bring the abuse to an end. Even Starmer, the most woke advocate for the 1950s era asylum system, has conceded it is time.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/starmer-warns-severe-strain-immigration-162700373.html

Also they should consider, in appointing judges, what way they are likely to rule on asylum and immigration cases. The courts have played a huge role in dragging out these appeals.

The courts saw another prized cow to be milked.

No longer solely dependent on the home growm scum to keep the money rolling in.

I wouldn't agree with the negative immigration rate. We do need people coming in to work but we don't need lax approach to coming here, it seems once you are here that's it. Yes we should make it more restrictive and only have visas for jobs where we need people. Also any immigrants here commiting a crime should be deported, ridiculous what some are getting away with. We are bad enough with our own criminals without importing them from everywhere else.

It’s amazing to see individuals doing charity runs and cycles to raise money for their local hospitals while meanwhile we’re spending billions on looking after the world’s poor

no they shouldn't.
the job of the judges is to rule on the law, nothing more, that's what they do.
the fact you may not agree with their rulings or like the law is neither here nor there, and expecting politicians to appoint judges on the basis of what way they are likely to rule on something is not only a threat to the rule of law but a threat to democracy and to justice.

no they are spending money on refugees who have yet to be determined to have a claim to remain here or not.
it is not illegal to claim assylum and it is not illegal to be a refugee.
even if there were no migrants, and refugees/assylum seekers in ireland there would still be fundraising for certain things.
the state could pay for things like the hospus but it chooses not to do so, nothing to do with refugees.

no, the government should not be moving in line with the UK, we should be moving away from the UK as much as we can so as to protect ourselves from any fallout down the line once it's slide to fascism is complete.
the government should be implementing it's own policy independantly of what the UK does, on everything quite frankly.
following the Uk is one of the many reasons for many of our problems whether it be housing, transport ETC.
if the UK don't want us to be a back door to them then they will have to sort that out at their end.
it's ultimately not our problem and nor should we care about it, because they certainly didn't care about ireland when they decided to try and implement their failed, state bankrupting rwanda plan.
anyway, the only way we could do anything on that particular score is in the event of a united ireland.

Interesting article in the Irish Examiner yesterday about the deportation flights. Seems fairly easy to dodge deportation if you're of a mind to, go missing, have a bad attitude, file an appeal etc.
The amount of man power as well that the Gardai have to put into it.
But godforbid an Irish politican ever actually take a firm hand in enforcing the laws, they might have someone on twitter call them a name

These 2 quotes stood out to me in the article what other country would take having a bad attitude as a reason not to deport someone

"Family unit three is living in Kerry. It comprises of a mother and two children, a six-year-old boy and a five-month-old boy. Her attitude is “not great”, the meeting is told. The father has gone missing."

"A decision had also been made not to take the family in Kerry on this flight."

https://archive.ph/90kMP

the gardai are ultimately enforcing deportations, in this case it's likely cheaper to wait and deport the family together then having to deport him on a separate flight down the line.

people will unfortunately go missing when they are not in direct provision.