Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

The idea of stealing the Russian money at Euroclear is a great example of the sort of NAFO tier strategic thinking that has guided European policy over the past 25 years. As the Euroclear director herself noted in her recent interview, the entire world of state investors are watching very carefully how the Russian money is treated. The freezing of the funds is already a risk factor they have to consider before investing in Europe. If Europe outright steals the money, then every state investment fund will look to derisk by taking their money out of Europe: steal Russian money today, steal their money tomorrow. It would be utterly devastating for Europe because the value of the assets at Euroclear already exceeds the entire GDP of the European Union.

And the Russians would get their money back - they would sue Euroclear in a non-Western juristiction (such as Asia) for the theft, win the case and Euroclear would be forced to pay out the stolen money - likely bankrupting Belgium in the process. So for the low-low price of zero, the Russians would get the strategic win of destroying the European economy.

That is how bad the idea is. Anyone who has Europe's interests at heart would be against this incredibly bad idea of making it clear to investors their money can be stolen by European banks. But it comes from the same people who driven the German, British and French economies into the ground while reducing Europe to a vassal to Donald Trump of all people. And these people are desperate because they're running out of road. And desperate people make bad decisions.

Your rationale for stealing the money doesn't even make any sense - the Russian funds are sitting in an account at Euroclear. The Russians cant use them for anything. The only way they benefit the Russians is by Europe stealing them and so further harming the European economy.

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the loss ratio was dramatically in their favour. That was changed now though."

Based on what? Not seen any reliable source of information on losses of troops in the conflict that show the Ukrainians are now suddenly suffering greater losses than any other time in the war.

Wonderwaffen of different types have been claimed by pro putin sources to be about to turn the conflict in putin's favour for quite some time now. How do you know this is true now and not just more pro kremlin lies?

"There's a lot of blood on the West's hands here." - No there is not. putin and his terrorists are the ones completely responsible for attacking Ukraine and murdering thousands of people there.

What in the actual ****…. can Ivan from Moscow sue the west in a Russian court for a zillion dollars and the combined west would just hand over the zillion dollars settlement?

Why doesn't Russia just sue Euroclear in a Moscow court and force them to unfreeze and pay out?

I suspect countries who want to wage an illegal genocidal war may have to think twice and find another reserve currency to place their assets in. I for one think the deterrent the West provided would make rouge countries think twice before launching an illegal war.

They will sue them in a court in Asia where NATO can't override the laws. Euroclear - despite the name - is a huge, global custodian of assets that does business across the entire world. If it loses a legal case in a court in Asia (and it would, stealing is a straight up crime), it would be destroyed as a custodian. And even if it did pay out, the loss of trust and faith in Euroclear as a custodian of assets would cripple it. This is why the director of Euroclear is hinting they would rather sue the EU than steal the Russian assets. Because that is how bad an idea it is.

I know there is this perception amongst the NAFO types that the entire world is basically the USA, Canada and Western Europe. Maybe that was true 30-35 years ago. But it isn't anymore.

Millions of peoples homes and businesses have been stolen and destroyed by Russia in Ukraine, not to mention the tens/hundreds of thousands killed and maimed, children stolen from parents and deported to Russia, forced adoptions etc. Taking the Russian assets is just compensation, like that a criminal would have to pay for theft and destruction of property.

Re-read my post buddy.

I talk about the loss ratio while providing a source which is clearly talking about artillery, logistical, armoured losses etc. Russia fibre optic advancement has severely hindered Ukraine this year.

Drone nets have appeared, drone interceptors Will improve and Ukraine's fibre optics will hopefully increase in volume and quality too. But as of now Russia has an edge here and Will likely invest more here next year.

There's obviously blood on Putin's hands but I personally am not Russian so I'm not responsible for that. I am however part of the western world that IMO is not doing enough and I'll keep pushing that agenda. Whether that's online or to the politicians at the door. I've donated money from personal funds numerous times towards their effort so I'm doing my part.

Western countries should change international law simple as that. As it stands those laws benefit the rich and powerful at the cost of the poor and weaker. Protecting and paying to look after deserters in a war they can win suits the likes of Putin and that's it.

Well we have the Criminal Assets Bureau and it has stood up to every court challenge to it by the criminal fraternity.

Ukrainian military representatives reported that Russian occupation forces are gradually losing control over parts of Kupyansk in the Kharkiv region. https://www.rfunews.com/map#2025-11-1...

NATO planners should learn lessons from this conflict, especially on drones.

Countries used to winning wars often get complacent, such as France before WW2. They didnt appreciate the importance of tanks. The Renault tanks were better than the Panzer IIIs but they deployed them like in WW1 as an infantry support vehicle, not so much the mass tank formations of Nazi Germany.

The social media post you link to does not show any comparison between losses of putin's terrorists during this period and those of the Ukrainians or the related losses suffered by either side over other periods of the war, so does not back up what you are claiming about a recent change in loss ratios between the two sides in the war currently. I'm not your buddy. Do whatever you like to support Ukraine in their efforts against putin's terrorists but I can't see the point of making arguments on social media without backing them up with credible sources that actually say what you claim they are saying.

Are you delusional? Why did Russia seize EU leased aircraft?

What's that got to do with the sovereign immunity of states central bank assets ? Everything is going through courts and insurance disputes as i understand with the planes.