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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,937 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I wouldn't be suprised if Emerald saw other opportunities with both Blue Islands and Eastern outside of DUB route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭VG31


    Guernsey is served by Aurigny, not Blue Islands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 dean333


    Montpelier will announce shortly for EI, heard from someone inside, and somewhere in Northern Europe in Norway/sweden for 2026



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,863 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yet another regional turboprop airline goes bang. No point Emerald getting involved if there's no money in it.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    and no reason why they couldn’t do it either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Jersey-Dublin-USA all in one ticket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Don't they already do Jersey, a forgettable twice weekly summer service? Definitely room for some frequency increases though. Not sure there'd be as much demand for Guernsey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭VG31


    Can't imagine there would be enough demand for another carrier to Guernsey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,937 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    https://www.independent.ie/business/aer-lingus-warns-it-may-close-manchester-base/a1870250572.html

    Aer Lingus could close its base in Manchester as it struggles to make it profitable, it has warned staff there today.

    A closure would affect about 200 staff members at the operation.

    The airline, headed by chief executive Lynne Embleton, has insisted that the operating margin on its long-haul operations from the city continue to “significantly lag” those of the airline’s long-haul operation out of Ireland.

    Aer Lingus operates direct services from Manchester to destinations in the Caribbean as well as New York.

    In a note to Aer Lingus staff seen by the Irish Independent, the airline said that its executive team held a briefing with staff at Manchester today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭California Dreamer


    Airline management 101: Try to scare the staff!



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    True, but it’s also true that the extra 330 capacity back at Dublin would no doubt do nicely for them there too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 StakeholderValue




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,937 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I would largely agree unlikely to close beacsue of this dispute however the tactic could be executed without any major fallout. This would be more difficult in Ireland.

    The lack of additional aircraft and aging fleet for the next few years at DUB might be weighed up againt alleged underperformance of MAN base and a decision might need to be made which is best financially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    The prospect of prolonged industrial action continuing into the Christmas travel period makes base closure a stronger possibility. While it's still likely scare tactics from management, I would no longer rule it out entirely.

    Manchester is profitable, and Aer Lingus has finally proven it can fill aircraft from a UK base successfully but the financial and reputational damage done won't be easy to recover. Combined with the limited growth opportunities MAN has presented, it's not unthinkable that alternatives for those aircraft are being considered.

    While I support staff looking to achieve better terms and conditions, I'm not convinced wanting the same as your Dublin counterparts (different airline, country, cost of living, network etc.) is the hill I'd want to die on. Unite, the second largest union in the UK, won't lose any sleep over the closure of Manchester.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    In negotiations, you start with asking for a lot but you ultimately meet somewhere in the middle. That's how pretty much every negotiation starts. It seems a bit unreasonable on the face of it probably because it is.

    Regardless, a moderate pay increase for cabin crew will barely even be noticeable on the bottom line of the company. They want to keep control, that's all. Allowing industrial action dictate the future of a company is just poor management.

    Standard scare tactics you see across various industries. However if they are serious then you have to question are management really fit for purpose? How did they allow such an open goal at Manchester with very weak competition at the time get the better of them in the end? A big win for Virgin and TUI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭Shamrockj


    It’s corporate greed pure and simple, they can well afford to pay a higher wage to cabin crew in Manchester but the usual scare tactics from a company that made €170M profit in just 3 months.


    Management would rather cancel flights and lose money than simply make a fair and reasonable offer. The same cheap tactics are now being demonstrated that they tried to use against pilots threatening to pull the XLR order! The boy who cried wolf



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,352 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I think there is also an aspect to it of not allowing it be seen that the tail can wag the dog.
    Im sure they technically could absorb the cost, but that would then be noted by all other work groups putting in their next pay claim.

    The management team can’t be seen to be just ready with a blank cheque for whatever pay claims come their way, it’s always been a to-and-fro negotiation and there’s a reason for that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭jreams08


    could EI keep it’s BGI route but switch it from MAN to DUB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭exiledawaynothere


    Could yes. Should will come down to profitability.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    The Irish based staff are all in the process of negitiating an increase in their own renumuration after the pilots got 17% last year. The company had included a clause stating "if any staff group get a higher increase then we are entitled to the same" in their agreements with ground and cabin staff.


    The MAN staff have no such contract, and are in a different jurisdiction with different labour rates.



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