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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    If the purpose is reducing your income tax bill then only your pension contributions count towards it, not your employer or the government.

    IMO every farmer should have some private pension that they can make extra contributions to in the good years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    .The person may have reached 55 years of age and have the 10 years up so could claim retirement relief. A very large number ( mainly dairy farmers) have formed companys in the last number of years. I formed company in 2005. Just liquidated it drew out money and handed business to next generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭mickey1985


    How much are accountants charging lads? I'm sole trader here in partnership with father and last years bill was 2700 not sure if that is high or not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Seems steep, pay round €750 including vat. I do have all done up on a spreadsheet for him though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭amacca


    So say you have the 400k in the company and the pension is maxxed....can you purchase anything else with the 400k ...business related assets, property/land, machinery, construction/sheds etc....

    I suppose that's only deferring the eventual drawdown/ avoiding or reducing tax until you do liquidate?

    If you have a decent director's loan, you get that out tax free I suppose...

    What actually happens to the rest when you liquidate? Land, sheds, machinery owned by company? You have to sell and pay tax at above 12.5%?....

    I assume the retirement relief is if you are passing it on to children/spouse?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    .You dont have tl retire to claim retirement relief.Once you are operating company for 10years and reach age 55 you can claim retirement relief. I cant remember the exact figures at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    2200 last year for a similar set up. Everything is in folders for them, they do our non registered vat returns for that aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭alan10


    Hi,

    Got land drainage work done last month. Is all this work capital expenditure (ie write off over 7 years) or can any of it be tax deductible for this year only (trying to offset increased cattle prices)

    Example figures

    Drainage pipe:1K Stones:2K Digger man:3K

    Total 6K over 7 years (6 years 15%, 1 year 10%). Is that the way to do it? So for 2025 it would just be ~ 900 euro to offset?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If tge invoice says land maintenance you can write it off over one. However you will not get vat back.

    Stone and drainage is 23% vat, digger us 13.5. If your prices are plus vat you lose 1195 in vat

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,312 ✭✭✭straight


    You can actually claim back Vat on maintenance but not many people know that…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    You can’t write it off in one year if you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have done that but as @Tonynewholland said write downnis over 8 years.

    @alan10 it's is probably possible to draw the 23% on that and write that down separately to the digger.

    However you could forward buy your fertlizer for next year. As well make sure your accountant is allowing for electricity, telecoms and heating. It might be time to splash out on new farming clothes and shoes. Dose your mobile need an upgrade. If you have children are they on the payroll. Is there a bit of fencing needs doing forward buy the materials. A solar fencer is 100% depreciated on the year of purchase as is a solar pump

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭alan10


    Brilliant information lads - thank yous!
    I will have separate invoices for the 3, so can write down separately I think. 2 options if I am reading above correctly…

    1. all can be claimed in year one (including digger work with "land maintenance" on invoice) but can't claim back the VAT
    2. claim the VAT back on all, and write down over 8 years

    or split them up separately.

    There will be reseeding, fertilizer, fencing next year - can look at forward paying some that. Kids too young; I think advisor told me to wait until they 15 before they can go down on payroll.

    Didn't think of the other expenses - phone, clothes, shoes

    Thanks again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Vat is 405 euro plus and eight which is about another 187so 590 in tax savings if deprecatedbover 8 years or or 1700 in straight off deprecation at high tax rates assuming it's 3k pus vat.

    It's amazing tge amount bit lads that do not do the small stuff. Know a lad that managed to write off a plastic tractor bought for Christmas one-year

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    writing off the plastic tractor is fraud.

    I know of a lad that told people he had cancer and people gave him loads of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I was not farming when my children were that young, but brought coukd look at it as a generational renewal cost. Fraud us a pretty hard word considering what is written off in other sectors.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    There’s little chance the plastic tractor would stand up to a Revenue inspection, certainly not an in depth review

    Anything can be included in theory, the accountant or tax agent allowing it to be included doesn’t mean it is allowed to be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I woukd say it did not appear as a plastic tractor

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is it not a training device for the young aspiring farmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    In terms of saving tax is machinary/purchase of land/building shed all the same?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,361 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    With due respect, your tax payable could not have doubled with more or less the same figures as last year ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    For suckler farmers its possible tax liabilities will quadruple in 2025. However it's quite possible on much the same turnover forctax liabilities to change. Basically if capital allowances end then you have less to write down

    Machinery and sheds the sane land is not depreciated

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,363 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    machinery vs shed has different depreciation time periods for wrote down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34 Naillers


    AFAIK....machinery can be written off ( or capitalized) at 12.5 % a year for 8 years....A shed or building is 15% a year for 6 years and then 10% for the final year...and slurry storage can be written off using accelerated capital allowances over 2 years but I think this is a special case and needs to be extended in the budget and specifically the finance act.... methinks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Was completing my tax returns and it got me thinking. Something for any accountants amongst us. You would often hear about minding the day job. But, say someone has a full time job paying salary €50k/Yr. If they were to give up their job how many of the following would they need to generate the same income.

    • Ewes only
    • Only Suckler cows, finishing all.

    Assume no land rental, no fancy new machines, no new sheds, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I think it be very achievable this year but the uncertainty of high prices and then buying dear replacements would be knock the figures next year for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,310 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I consider my profit the difference between what I sell at and what I replace at. I am.atill trying to build numbers so was buying from early in the year. What I sell for next year will reflect what I pay for replacements.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭Joesa


    My rule is to make the sheep pay for themselves. Any subsidies are profit.

    If you had good average, and good entertainments it would be manageable.

    Another way of looking at it would be, what could you make off the land if you didn't farm it. What is naked land leasing for in your area. If you could keep the entitlements, and a minimal number of stock. You could rent out the remaining land for grazing. What would you make in this circumstance???

    You'll find it you break your back working stock, you would probably make similar with an easy life leasing it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭alan10


    Hi folks,
    is this for the republic Ireland also or NI, UK?

    The key change for local farmers is double cab pickups will no longer be eligible for 100% capital allowance for tax calculations from 

    April 2025

    Instead, double-cab pickups will be taxed as cars and will therefore only be able to draw down a 6% allowance per annum



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