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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,074 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    That law on allowing more emigration was incredibly dumb. Zelensky needs to realise that electoral popularity with young men won't do any good if Putin ends up running Ukraine. This is an existential war for Ukraine, and democracy is being defended

    Quite frankly, I despair that if a Western country were attacked, there would be the same willingness to sacrifice that Ukraine has shown. We have decades of pacifism and defence cuts. Stalin saw the people that admired the Soviet Union in the West as "useful idiots" and I feel the same way about those who like Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Your remarkable neutrality continues to impress me Brother Bricky. Your neutrality is so great, that it has overlooked the insane state of Russian military recruitment and focused squarely on the Ukrainians. How increadbly neutral of you!

    Now enough of this trying to have a chin-wag like a regular neutral poster; you still have to address for the Russian practice of bombing children. Do you condemn it? Or shall you continue to ignore that request….and show everyone how neutral you are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It was nothing to do with electoral popularity.

    Families were leaving Ukraine before their sons reached 18. Imagine colleges in Ukraine, empty of young males. It has a very negative impact on Ukraine as a country and society. At least now those families can stay and their sons finish college without the fear of not being able to leave the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 902 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    The 'West' didn't provide enough of the things it could easily provide(money/weapons) it's certainly not going to help with man power.

    As I have being saying for 2 years - this is a battle of wills and the West doesn't have the stomach for it. We showed a bit more resolve than Russia expected but not enough to show Russia that they cannot win. Unfortunately it's Ukraine that has to pay the price for our gross incompetence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,370 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Europe has only two actual leaders, Zelensky and Orban , rest are snowflakes, and that's why we are where we are. Bring back Boris



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,505 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,370 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Shady as fck, not a great help to Ukraine, but tough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,851 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Well there's been the hope that if Ukraine holds its ground for long enough that will precipitate a Russian economic and/or military collapse. Starting to look a bit forlorn now though…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,505 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I don't think you can call someone who bends over to Putin 'tough'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭macraignil


    The hardship being suffered by Ukraine is due completely to the actions of putin's terrorist state and not any incompetence in the countries that have provided it with aid. Most people in the EU I believe would like to see putin defeated more quickly but accelerating that defeat comes with risks political leaders in many countries are unwilling to take.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    Just look at the people running the world today; Gobbles, Eichmann, Goring, Mussolini, Bormann, Himmler, Corbyn…(I may have got some of the names mixed up a bit but you know what I mean…)

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,504 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    This is one of those things that won't likely appear as some kind of dramatic avalanche of failure on the Russian side. It's a very gradual decay which had been happening before the war and has only accellerated due to the war and everything that goes with it. There will be a tipping point where the Russians will simily be unable to hide their dire state, but we are not there yet. There is still enough lipstick available to pretty up this hog.

    Russia really needed this war to have finshed back in 2022. Back then was probably the best shape they were in for this. But time has gone on, and time has not been kind to them. Ukrainian nationhood has been galavised. NATO has expanded. And Soviet stockpiles that gave the Russian's their edge are being exhaused and replaced (at best) with Chinese crap.

    The Donbass creep gives the impression of Russia winning, which is why our neutral friends are so invested in it, but this does not represent how things are overall. Ukraine is holding on, and Russia is eating itself in an attempt to scrape a win out of a historically bad tactical mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,614 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Do you think the Chinese are giving the Russians some of their good stuff to test it before possibly needing it for Taiwan?

    Or are giving them just enough of their shite stuff to keep things going?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,851 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Ukraine is holding on

    Starting to look like only by their fingernails though. If this talk of them running out of soldiers is borne out on the battlefield the Russian advance could pick up very rapidly…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,505 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    I think you're kind of proving Rawr's point though. Yes, Ukraine is struggling in Pokrovsk and other parts of the front due to manpower shortages, but at most that means Russia gets closer to controlling the Donbass. Ukraine as a country itself will not lose here because of these issues. As mentioned above this might mean that Ukraine can also consolidate their defenses over a smaller front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So why did they recently let so many young men leave? If they reach a point where they conduct a full mobilisation you don't want young men rushed to the front. Start training 22 year olds now and you might get a few years under their belt before they're needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,481 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I suspect neither. I think they’re selling what they can to turn a tidy profit for as little effort as possible. Based on first-hand experience with the place, trust me with the following:

    The People’s Republic of China is the most capitalist place I have ever been. They have no scruples at all against fleecing their beloved neighbor for every last kopek they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I also disagreed with allowing Ukrainians to leave with children of 14/15 who are now military fighting age. The war was going on from 2014 you don't let your youth disappear into the generous social system of the EU which are created in a way to keep people in Europe. Even if the war ended today a huge chunk would never return.

    To add balance a lot of military aged men also fled Russia so it wasn't all one way.

    When Ukrainians in Europe are of mobilisation age and Ukraine wants them back they should be deported. The only person we're helping with that is Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Because he's trying to give himself a platform from which it may look, where he's given free reign, as though his disinformation posts are accepted as fact. It's just a shame that the forum is allowed to be misused like that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Soviet stockpiles are exhausted but unfortunately they have 2 important allies. China and North Korea. 70% of Russian artillery ammunition is north Korean. They are receiving massive amounts. I'm sure South Korea is relieved.

    Russia is giving them a lot of resources and neighbouring countries are helping Russia to purchase western products from the West.

    Russia's army has dramatically changed since 2022. They now use more fibre optic drones than Ukraine. A concept they pioneered. Their missile production hasn't slowed either and their air force adopting glide bomb warfare in huge numbers has proven very successful.

    Makes it extremely frustrating seeing the West hold back in the quality of fighter jets and the quality of missiles they're sending. Still no Taurus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    -delete-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    No thanks. I think you're conflating leadership with being load, lying and oafish. It's not just about who spreads their legs widest when they sit down and shouts loudest. Leadership, in a liberal democracy, should require a minimum competency on the moral compass test, which the two buffoons you reference would fail spectacularly at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I honestly think they should of fully mobilised from 18 year olds. Gave them 6 months training and then moved to the front. I think this should of been done the 1st day Russia crossed into Ukraine. I don't know why they let them go from Ukraine. I honestly think was a big mistake. I can understand them wanting to leave but they should of all been in training and then sent in against Russian forces. I think if this had of been done from start Russia might have lost by now or had considerable less Ukrainian territory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Exactly. It's capitalism without the regulation, rules, order or democracy. Another horrible regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,153 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Disagree with that completely. I'd imagine most members of Western armies would love to get stuck into the Russians in Ukraine. If the West wants to do something, that's it. Not forcing people who for a variety of reasons have fled war and conflict. It would be moral cowardice of the highest order and the most shameful thing the West has done yet.

    Nothing makes me more queasy than armchair generals in the safest country in Europe pontificating behind a laptop about how other people they've never met should be forced to fight a war that they seem so invested in, will never have to fight in, but stand to gain from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Move young men to the front after 6 months?! 90% of soldiers are not used at the front at any given moment. Why would you sacrifice young inexperienced soldiers like this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,505 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    How else do you get experience ? That's the reality of war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,531 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Yeah engage the enemy. Or even have 250k more drone operators in your service. They can be a few km from the front lines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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