After the FF Presidential election debacle, how long before Micheal Martin resigns or is pushed?

Shots fired?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/fianna-fail-facing-a-demographic-cliff-edge-by-neglecting-young-people-mep-billy-kelleher-warns/a1651724802.html

Interestingly, that topic kept coming up on the presidential election threads here.

They'll have to drag him out kicking and screaming. I think that there is a parliamentary party meeting on Wednesday next and the report was supposed to be ready by then. It looks like Martin is trying to evade responsibility. His loyal followers will be the ones to watch. They might be getting worried if the tide is turning against Martin. Ideally, the FFers will want him to resign before the PP meeting. That way a motion of no confidence would not be necessary and would allow him to save some face within FF.

Please check in on me in 20 minutes to check I haven't died laughing at that last quote.

As soon as TACA (FF business fundraising / corruption arm) was founded in the 60s; FF were the party of the landed and business classes. The Galway Tent was just that same stuff, 40 years later. And they'd re-start it immediate if they could get away with it.

8th December 2025 is D day for this issue :)

Not even Jesus could save that lot. :)

That's quite possibly the plan but this is his declared public position

If he keeps reiterating that as the handover draws near do the parliamentary party not at some point have to take him at his word?

MM is a dead man walking now,he knows it,the public know it and all his colleagues know it.

It's about getting out with his reputation somewhat in tact.

JC seemed like a decent up and comer but his involvement with the election and the very fact he's MMs choice as the annointed one rules him out.

DOB isn't a strong enough character or indeed enough of a departure from MM to be in with a shout.

That leaves JOC to come in and establish the party as the main centre right option.If he can do that (big ask i know) then FF will be a bigger party than FG and maybe SF come the next election.

Anyway,as I posted a few weeks ago there'll be no serious heave against MM until the handover.It just doesn't make sense for anybody involved.

An orderly handover to his minion (Chambers) was how Martin wanted it. The situation has changed since the presidential election and Martin's approval figures are going down the toilet. The fear in FF may be that he will take them down with him. That's reason enough to move against him. There's another opinion poll due in the next few weeks (Business Post/RedC). This unrcertainty over Martin's disposal may begin to eat into FF support and the longer he remains, the worse it could be for FF against SF and FG. O'Callaghan might be a better option for FF. The problem is that the damage Martin has inflicted on FF will take a lot of hard work and time to repair.

Did something happen this evening?

I thought Gavin refused to take part in the review and not that he wasn't interviewed?

Henry Sellors will not get the leadership no matter how much he thinks “he made the BBC”

Yes I know a lot of them are unhappy,as are a lot of TDs and influential people in the party.

Of course it's all self interest and jostling for position now.With that in mind it doesn't make sense to heave against MM at this time (at least not in big enough numbers) He'll be gone after the handover,no need for big numbers to start making big noises now,just wait it out and don't explicitly support him.

This is the mistake the likes of DOB have made,his support of MM means not only is he not going to lead FF but he's unlikely to be any sort of top dog under the new leadership. There are others like Norma Foley promoted way above their abilities who have come out in support of MM because they owe him everything and possibly know they will be nobodies in FF going forward.

JC is an interesting one.Hes a smart cookie (and potential next leader)but has being caught up in the presidential disaster and will not be popular as MMs anointed one.Hes intelligent enough to see this but how he can navigate it remains to be seen.

The likes of BK speaking out against MM means he'll be near enough the top table under new leader.

JOC is staying quiet and is seen as a tougher individual than all of the above.Certainly very capable and was making the right noises about the immigration disaster before it was fashionable.

In my opinion he's positioning himself to take over when MM is shuffled off the stage (not exact kicked out but gone before he wanted to) This satisfies everyone as MM gets to leave with a bit of dignity,however it also satisfies the party members/public in that he didn't leave completely on his own terms.

But Martins word means nothing at this stage, I don't think there is a person in the country that believes anything he says. Sure only today he was saying that he did not try stifle the debate on immigration.