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Tim Davie resigns as Director-General of the BBC

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,880 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    lets be honest every news outlet has a biase, i read/see stuff then fact check it as best i can.

    My weather

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    Splicing two clips from a speech taken more than half an hour apart is a lot more than "bias" though.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Deliberate manipulation of a news report to spread lies is pretty poor stuff particularly when people in the UK have no choice but to subsidize the BBC.

    Whatever about other outlets being biased and misleading people , it's completely unacceptable for a tax payer funded media to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    https://theconversation.com/bbc-resignations-over-trump-scandal-show-the-pressures-on-public-broadcasters-and-why-they-must-resist-them-269388

    Prescott left the BBC in June 2025, but during his time there he wrote a letter to the BBC board drawing their attention to what he saw as problems of “serious and systemic” editorial bias within the broadcaster. The dishonest editing of the Trump speech was one example he gave to support his case.

    He wrote that when these lapses had been brought to the attention of editorial managers, they “refused to accept there had been a breach of standards”.

    If that's the culture of the place then it sounds rotten to the core.

    What am I missing here?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    People have been pointing out it’s bias for years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,421 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    That’s like saying nobody is perfect so it doesn’t matter if someone in charge is corrupt. It does matter.

    The BBC not only set themselves up, very ostentatiously, as objective and neutral but also, they are the only British news outlet that can haul you up in court for not paying them even if you don’t watch their programs.

    I heard Nick Robinson on Today this morning basically saying that it was a coup and terribly unfair. One of his arguments was that nobody had complained about the Trump edit at the time.

    I don’t get how he doesn’t see that in fact this shows why it’s such a problem: it was edited so that the cut didn’t show (they cut away from Trump just at that point, to cover up the visual evidence of the splice) AND, crucially, people do tend to believe what they hear on the BBC. Very few people would react to a speech by Trump on the BBC by suspecting that it had been tampered with.

    This is also why IRL I’ve had people tell me that there can’t really be a problem with puberty blockers because if there was evidence they were not fine, they’d have heard about it on the BBC.

    (Their pro trans coverage was far more of an issue in the leaked report BTW but there seems to be an effort to make it all about one single incident with Trump. I wonder why.)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,744 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you're going to cut or show snippets speeches out of context, it should done in an obvious way so the viewer knows it has been done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,843 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    The gist of the clip was correct,he did encourage people to go and " fight". It was just badly edited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,421 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Exactly.

    Concerning Trump though, it’s really annoying me how this is being allowed to become the big issue, as though that one single incident is the cause of the BBC’s problems.

    Although TBF, if Trump sues them in Florida, as it seems he may do, the sums involved may be so massive that it may well become the biggest threat to the BBC’s continued existence, but that wasn't clear yesterday. And in any case, that still doesn’t make it a rightwing conspiracy because nobody forced the BBC to edit Trump’s speech misleadingly. It was entirely self inflicted. The BBC just handed that to him on a plate.

    But if they do try to limit changes to just kowtowing to Trump, there’ll be no real change, or not the right change. And that’s just not good enough.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep the Trump fandom are trying to latch onto this add proof of him not egging on an insurrection. So poor quality control from the BBC but it doesn't change his role in it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    It wasn't a news report.

    It was a documentary shown more than 3 years after the event.

    However crucially it was a couple of days before the 2024 election hence Trumps annoyance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    For The BBC it's a Bottom Up Issue - No Person at the top could resolve the Biases of the Journalists and staff that work for the outlet.

    The Overwhelming amount of staff and journalists in the Building are the types who Read the Guardian like a Hymnsheet as well as tend to be Privately Educated.

    Some of the Vanguard for modern 'Progressive' ideologies. You can note in the reporting we see specific 'Lobby' groups such as LGBTQ.

    As soon as the 'Neutral' news station has lobby groups it's well and truly finished as an impartial institution.

    This is probably a similar situation to RTE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    It is a bottom up problem. But, the practices seem to be deeply ingrained with support from the top.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/373970ce7dc2b679

    Jonathan Munro, the global director of BBC News, insisted that edits made by Panorama were “normal practice” when internal concerns were raised that they had wrongly made it seem as if the US president was inciting violence.

    I was just looking at the wikipedia article on the January 6th riots. There are twelve references in it to BBC articles. How many of them were faked in the same way?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Most of those references have multiple sources backing up the same statement in the article. So I'd say none of them are tbh, Wikipedia editors are pretty exhaustive on credibility of sources and they tend to catch everything, especially on controversial topics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    The Panorama segment is accused of combining a section where Trump said, “We will go down to the Capitol,” with a distinct, later phrase where he said, “and we fight like hell.”

    In the full transcript, Trump’s call to march was followed by remarks about cheering on lawmakers, while the “fight like hell” comment was made in a separate context about challenging the election result.

    https://en.mercopress.com/2025/11/10/bbc-chiefs-resign-amid-crisis-over-misleading-trump-speech-edit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    He should have just gotten a sick note and not taken any accountability for anything that happened under his watch - worked in our national broadcaster anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    2 clips which show trump to be responsible for insiting inserection were edited together so as to give an example of the multitude of proof of it.
    at worst it was a bad edit, but it doesn't change the reality.
    and there will be another january 6th, if there is even an election at all.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Holy moly!

    Trump is going to sue the BBC for a $1 billion (£760 million) lawsuit to compensate him for what they reported about him in that Panorama documentary. This is going to be a massive headache for all of the staff who currently work there at the moment. How do the BBC get themselves out of this mess at this point? Will this all staff crisis meeting called by Tim Davie later on today make any dramatic difference to prevent this crisis from getting worse between now & Friday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,180 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Not sure about the US law in this respect, but in UK law I believe you have to show that what was said hurt his character in the eyes of the public. And since he's such a lying, cheating, raping, frauding, wanna be insurrectionist, I think it would be hard to say that it caused him any harm to his public image.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Might just print out the news report of this and hand it to the next TV licence inspector who calls around here. BBC was once THE trusted place for info, but you could feel them slipping down the slope for the last decade or more, maybe even since I moved here to England (15 years). It's a real shame because their archive is genuinely priceless, their reporting of current events of the last 100 years is the closest thing British society has to a true modern social history.

    To throw that all away for a passing fad of ideology is a terrible shame.

    Trust is very hard and slow to earn but extremely easy and fast to lose.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    By the same logic many Democrats egged on the blm riots and looting. He didn’t explicitly say to storm the capital building and details are important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭plodder


    There was no incitement in that speech. There's a full transcript of it from NPR below. Here was the first part of the two clips that were spliced. They only used the bit in bold.

    Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

    Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

    I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

    "we're going to cheer on our brave senators …." and "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard"

    Yes, he went on a long rambling rant after this about the election, and falsely claimed it was corrupt but that is not incitement to violence. This is a constant theme with the left. Their self righteousness is off the scale and makes them think they can embellish any story however they want.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,757 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Yes it was wrong to do this - but not a billion dollars wrong.
    I don’t care what happens in the USA media because they frankly deserve him - but how fcked up is the world that a sitting president can or cares to, sue the national broadcaster of another country?

    This is a blatant attempt to silence the press yet again - and it’s going to impact how the BBC covers Trump into the future- whatever problems exist at the BBC should remain the UK’s and BBC’s problems - they’ve exported their problems to another country and potentially that countries legal system.

    This is so fcked up on so many levels. A hands up apology statement “should” be the end of it- but I’m not at all convinced it will be- but how we’ve got to this point of apologising to foreign leaders - especially those fcking up the world - that’s the big question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,843 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's Trump,of course he's sueing for a billion. Up to a judge what he actually gets,if anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭almostover


    The BBC only have themselves to blame for this. I abhor Trump, everything he represents and his now lawsuit against a national broadcaster. But this was a deliberate attempt to influence a democratic election using edited footage that did not show the full facts of the speech. It should be a great worry to any British person that their national broadcaster, who is supposed to be impartial and present only facts to its people, edited footage in an attempt to influence public perception on an election in another jurisdiction. It's gravely serious.

    It's possible to detest the Trump administration and simultaneously call out the BBC for what it has done. It's a very worrying precedent to have set by the BBC, it has now been portrayed to not be impartial on foreign politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭AustinLostin


    I watched the video - they just cut out 50mins of rambling, and gave the exact gist of what happened? He did say all that, and he just pardoned more Jan 6thers. In one week he can try to sue for defamation on one hand, and confirm the sentiment in the other.

    Objectively, one of the least egregious examples of media bias, but far right crybabys will latch on to this now like a limpet.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,430 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you ask 'if that's the culture of the place' - but consider who's making the allegation; from the link you posted:

    At that time, a journalist called Michael Prescott was working as an independent external adviser to the BBC’s editorial standards committee. According to The Guardian, Prescott’s appointment to this role had been pushed by a BBC board member, Robbie Gibb, who had been communications chief for the former Conservative prime minister Theresa May and had also helped set up the right-wing broadcaster GB News.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭JVince


    he's not suing - h is threatening to sue.

    He does that almost daily. It what he does to bully people into not saying things against him. He's used the same style for decades to evade taxes and fines in his dodgy business dealings



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also Trump's success in the US with suing is largely due to him intimidating media organisations. I can't see him having that same success in the UK.



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