Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

ancapailldorcha · 14-07-2025 08:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123635536#Comment_123635536

How does bullying and chickening out constitute strength?

Quin_Dub · 15-07-2025 09:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123635656#Comment_123635656

Every single thing that Trump does screams pathetic insecurity and weakness.

There is nothing whatsoever about him that demonstrates strength or actual leadership.

Rocket_GD · 15-07-2025 10:08AM

On a positive note he won the Club World Cup on Sunday, his team mates looked delighted he was there to celebrate…

Larbre34 · 15-07-2025 12:05PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123636774#Comment_123636774

Yes, but that doesn't mean there aren't positives to be taken from his term.

None for America, I hasten to add, but as I heard an economic historian describe it the other day, 'Trump is reducing dependence on America, encouraging diversification, making everyone else talk to each other and innovate'.

So after all of this, America will end up smaller, poorer, weaker and more isolated. But thats their problem.

In the same way that Brexit proved a colossal opportunity for Ireland, that was grabbed, the Trump presidency will Make Europe Great Again, only it will be done with new partnerships in Asia and the Americas.

Economics101 · 15-07-2025 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123636930#Comment_123636930

You missed the real positive note: he was roundly booed. And that was in Florida; imagine if it were in L.A.

tinytobe · 09-08-2025 03:30PM

I would see Donald Trump in a very very positve light if he was to have Putin arrested in Alaska on that visit. Even more so, if he keeps Putin locked up in some dark windowless cell until Putin recalls all the Russian troups from Ukraine and end the war.

This would be the first time I'd be impressed by Donald Trump, - after all it's the most effective way of ending the war in one day or however quickly Putin cracks.

BorneTobyWilde · 10-08-2025 12:21PM

''Chen Yang, a 56-year-old Chinese national who owned Hong Kong Restaurant in Perry, New York, was detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents on July 14 during what his family believed was a routine immigration check-in, according to local station WHAM-TV. Yang had been living in Wyoming County for three decades and was in the process of applying for a green card when he was arrested at the local immigration office.

Yang remains in custody at the ICE detention center in Batavia, New York, pending execution''

Hardly a drug running pistol whipping thug. Why waste time and space with such people

Economics101 · 10-08-2025 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123710953#Comment_123710953

Yor are quoting something. What is the source? Someone stupid enough to confure extradition with execution? 😁

Peregrinus · 11-08-2025 03:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123710965#Comment_123710965

No, "execution" is the term used by ICE, and US officialdom generally, for the implementation of a deportation order. "In custody pending execution" means you are being held in detention while arrangement are made to deport you.

Deportation is not extradition. "Extradition" is only used in relation to people who are removed from the US becaus they are wanted in other countries, and those other countries have applied to the US authorities to arrest them and send them back for trial or imprisonment.

Economics101 · 11-08-2025 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123712518#Comment_123712518

Thanks for the clarification. But it appears to me that ICE are as brutal in their use of language as they are in thier policing tactics.

itsacoolday · 17-10-2025 10:59PM

Trump - the positives.

Apart from the obvious of bringing peace to the middle east and getting the hostages home, it has been reported that “Unlawful crossings along the U.S.-Mexico border in fiscal year 2025 plummeted to the lowest annual level since the early 1970s, amid the Trump administration's sweeping clampdown on illegal immigration, internal federal statistics obtained by CBS News show.

Peregrinus · 20-10-2025 04:35AM

Unfortunately, the statistics also show that tougher border controls along the border with Mexico are associated with higher undocumented immigration, not lower.

This outcome is explained by the fact that, when the border was porous and crossing was relatively easy, this facilitated a high rate of seasonal migration. Young men would come north at harvest time and work for a season in the US, sending the bulk of their earnings home to support their families. When the season was over, they returned home themselves. Six to nine months later, they'c come back for another harvest, and the cycle would repeat itself. Their families and dependents remained home the whole time.

Making border crossing more difficult disrupted this pattern. The economic incentive to travel north remained, but every time a worker crossed the border — in either direction — he risked detection and exclusion. Therefore workers were incentivised to avoid crossing the border as much as possible. But, because of the economic incentives, this meant that they continued to come north, but stopped going south. In time, they contrived for their spouses and dependents to come north to join them. And what had been a pattern of undocumented seasonal migration became a pattern of undocumented permanent immigration instead.

Trump's policies will, of course, intensify this, because he hasn't done anything to address the factors which incentivise Mexican workers to come to the US in the first place — if anything, his policy of restoring the US manufacturing sector is likely to strengthen those incentives.

So, itscoolday may regard a policy that tends to increase undocumented immigration is a positive, but I think it's not positive in the sense of being an outcome that Trump supporters wanted, expected or would welcome.

Frank Bullitt · 20-10-2025 09:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123914721#Comment_123914721

How is that "peace" going?

Manic Moran · 27-10-2025 12:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123920451#Comment_123920451

I'm curious to see the specifics on this, as I'm at least skeptical.

The idea that the current environment has increased the ratio of "one and done" migration vs seasonal is logical enough and makes sense. My concern is with the raw numbers.

We know that the average month in the Trump era sees about 13% of encounters at the border than the average month of the last year of the Biden era, a delta of about 59,000 a month. We also know that the border is now more heavily patrolled than it was in the previous year, which indicates a likelihood that a lower proportion of attempts to enter illegally are successful which will skew the actual delta even more.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/analysis-who-are-the-immigrants-who-come-to-the-u-s-heres-the-data

The above link indicates that the 'seasonal' migrants seem to make up approximately 5% of the illegal immigrant population. I'm sure some statistician can figure out what that means for a typical month on the border, given they have to be repeat customers. But even if it's 85% of migrants on the border being seasonal (number out of arse, but I suspect would be high), that's, in the Biden years, over 10,000 one-way-attempts detected. Even if each and every one of the current 9,000 average was a 'one-way-trip' intent, and even before increasing the population number to reflect increased border patrol activity, the numbers don't add up.

This article doesn't indicate the difference between legal and illegal immigrant populations (Approximately 27% of the immigrant population is illegal per the PBS link), but for the first time since the 1960s, the immigrant population of the US has dropped by a million in the last six months. It's possible that most of those folks are lawful residents who decided to up stakes and go somewhere else, but I think it more likely that the 'resupply' chain has fallen, and at least some of the administration's claim of 1.6million self-deportations is true.

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-data-immigrants-self-deportation-trump-administration-2124106

Peregrinus · 27-10-2025 01:19AM

It isn't a finding about the impact of Trump's policies specifically. It's a finding from the long-term Mexican Migration Project (now retitled, I think, the Mesoamerican Migration Project), which has been studying US-Mexican migration patterns and experiences since 1982, and is still going. The big shift from undocumented seasonal migration to undocumented settlement immigration occurred in the 1970s and 80s, and was a response to the fact that the "cost" of crossing the border (actual financial cost, difficulty, danger, risk of detection, risk of sanction) rose significantly, resulting in the transformation of a “formerly temporary and regionally concentrated flow of undocumented, predominantly male, and disproportionately rural workers into a settled, urbanized population of immigrant families dispersed throughout the nation.”

You could argue, of course, that once this transformation has been acheived further tightening of the border won't have the effect of intensifying it still more, but you'd have to make the argument. It was false in the past; why would it be true now? The notion that making the border more secure will reduce the number of undocumented immigrants in the population has a superficial appeal, but so do notions like tougher sentences resulting in less crime, or higher taxes resulting in more revenue, or more choice resulting in greater satisfaction. Reality is more complicated than that.

Ozymandius2011 · 27-10-2025 01:35AM

One good thing is him imposing sanctions on Russian oil. Rosneft and Lukoil together account for 50% of oil revenues.

Trump can undo what he did 5 minutes ago though.

Igotadose · 08-11-2025 07:32AM

He pardoned former Met Darryl Strawberry (clearing his record, as he served time and paid his fines.)

I'm always going to cheer for something good being done to the Mets and former Mets.

dulpit · 08-11-2025 08:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123971356#Comment_123971356

So if someone serves time and pays fines they deserve to have their record exounged? Everyone?

Ozymandius2011 · 08-11-2025 12:13PM

I mostly dislike the bragging, the need to humiliate people like Zelensky in public last March in front of the world's TV cameras, the pressure on the tree press with what I consider SLAPP lawsuits like the one against CBS

But, while I think he has gone too far in deporting people for little things (Irishwoman in solitary confinement over a bounced $25 check decades ago, who has lived in the US for 40 years), I do think he shows that open borders is not inevitable. I also partly agree with him when he says Europe has gone too far down that road.

Igotadose · 08-11-2025 12:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123971440#Comment_123971440

Only former NY Mets players.

Ardillaun · 09-11-2025 04:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123967683#Comment_123967683

If I hadn’t seen the video I’d have thought that photo was fake. The man has no empathy whatsoever.

Palmach · 09-11-2025 04:02PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2em442nyrwo

A positive.

dulpit · 09-11-2025 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123975083#Comment_123975083

Explain how this is a positive? Why does gender even need to be listed anyway in a passport?

Palmach · 09-11-2025 04:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123975115#Comment_123975115

It isn't. Sex is.

dulpit · 09-11-2025 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123975179#Comment_123975179

Okay, but what benefit does this serve? It will isolate transgender people for what benefit?

Seth Brundle · 09-11-2025 04:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123975204#Comment_123975204

@Palmach is using the image of Maya Forstater, a gender-critical activist, as their avatar. Unless @Palmach can tell us of an actual positive, I'd assume that it is just more right-wing gender-obsessive nonsense & borderline trolling