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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I wrote the comment was semi racist not the poster as being a racist. The poster must never have been to Birr, if using there as a measure of "natives" and how they live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    U should see the damage wind farms have done to peatlands around the country and other sensitive habitats, plus rare earth mining for turbine components is at least as bad if not worse than coal mining . Blade erosion also sheds vast amounts of microplastics into the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Talking about the damage Wind farms are doing to peatlands in a country that industrially burned turf for fuel for the guts of a century feels a bit much.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    Yep - the concern with bogland ecology is completely insincere.

    For example, the EPA has identified 40 substantial bog sites where illegal industrial scale harvesting of peat is still occurring - completely sterilizing and destroying habitats.

    Compared to this and the decades of commercial bog strip mining operations, the idea that wind turbine foundations are destroying bogs is laughable.

    Look at this oddball - creating new accounts every few weeks - to spout Trumpian anti-wind turbine silliness. This bizarre behavior driven by hatred of new energy technologies is a mental derangement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley


    Absolutely no concern shown for Midlanders by those who spam these threads in favour of destructive and highly unreliable Wind Turbines. We have seen the damage done to blanket bogland by Wind Farms but here it is like it never happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley


    The locals are fighting back.

    Another Wind Farm denied planning permission due to a large amount of opposition from locals but now the planning permissions are going directly to ABP claiming the wind farms are Strategic Infrastructure Development(SID) which is an F.U. to the locals.

    https://archive.is/dmfys

    "A high number of residents made submissions in staunch opposition to the development to Kilkenny County Council anciting concerns over decreases in property value, noise pollution and major disruptions to traffic in affected areas in north Kilkenny and south Laois."



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    220KV pylons top left to bottom right.

    IF there is any danger from pylons then based on the exposure to the overhead lines then most of any payouts should go to urban dwellers based on proximity.

    IF there is any danger from infrasound we should ban all houses near the coast.

    The reality is that we need infrastructure and it has to go somewhere and I have no time for "dog in the manger" attitudes from what is essentially a small group of vocal parasites. Historically most of the labourers were displaced from the land so the remaining rural community is a fraction of what it was. Now there's more farmers over 75 than under 35

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    There's an old joke about how New Jersey has the most toxic dumps while New York has the most lawyers - because New Jersey got first choice. Take the windfarms before you get saddled with incineration plants or worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley


    We need more infrastructure? No, the Datacentres need electricity to sell product and services of questionable value to society and they don't care whose environment they destroy around the globe. Bogland here, Groundwater elsewhere, coal smog somewhere else. You serve them.

    The natural local demand for electricity would already be mostly satisfied if the Datacentres were only the international standard of 3 to 5% of total demand but locally in Ireland they are powering toward 50% by the middle of the century and Ireland and its Citizens will end up paying for it monetarily and in reduction in quality of life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Recovering Peatlands on BNM land in many counties are biodiversity hotspots that have huge carbon and climate buffering potential - none of that will be achieved if industrial windfarms continue to be built on them . I also suggest u read up on a number of disastrous peatslides in recent years associated with wind farm construction like the Derrybrein, Meenbog etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    It's laughable to suggest that gouging out vast amounts of peat and permanently destroying the natural hydrology of these areas leading to peat silt pollution and flooding of downstream lands etc. to build windfarms and their sprawling service road network etc. is somehow better🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I believe that's the crowd Yates was shilling for. Lobbying for change of zoning and how can they get planning in areas not suitable for wind farms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭dmakc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭dmakc




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Oh boy. The 2030 target means we have to eliminate most of the remaining fossil fuel or face billions in fines. Also decarbonisation of transport and heating.

    So we have no choice unless we insulate the crap out of everything and restrict electric usage and ban private vehicles. Which would affect the isolated rural dwellers who'd be nearest wind farms locations.

    Datacentres are what will pay for the grid upgrades as they have a more constant demand than the rest of us who mainly use power during working hours and early evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley


    So you are telling us that Datacenters and LLMs running within them are actually our saviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭dmakc


    The 80% renewables target for 2030. Data centres have sent Ireland's denominator beyond sustainable reach, consuming our recent renewable onboardings to the point they're now looking to fossil fuels as long as they can show 50% of their energy comes from associated renewables (which the insincere operators will argue in bad faith, along with everything else in their EIARs).

    As the poster said, our DC usage is completely out of line with Europe and that margin is projected to increase. We got into this mess by letting DC's ride roughshod over the country in the past 10 years and now Collison (along with every pseudo-intellectual Irish Times reader on twitter) tells me we need to cut the red tape.

    Find me a renewables project in the media that is honest about where it's electricty is going, and doesn't mislead with the PR line: "enough to power X homes". Let's see some "enough to power our data centres for X% of the year".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley


    IWEA frame every project as enough to power x thousand homes while the proposers are feverishly looking to sell to Industry i.e. Datacentres direct. It is sick!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Some posters here seem to have misapprehended my statement, I didn't say wind farms shouldnt have to be environmentally sound the poster I was responding to was saying they were destroying the delecate bog ecology of the midlands, which is rich given how the 'natives' of the Midlands have denuded the bogs in the last 100 years to power the country.

    Last I checked Derrybrien isn't in the Midlands, it shouldn't have been built, same with Meenbeg.

    Both should have had their planning rejected and a stronger EPA put in place for the country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    Agree @riddlinrussell - Derrybrien should never have been built and it is right that they're being forced to dismantle it and reinstate the site.

    72% of Irelands bogs have been degraded as a result of fuel extraction. Even worse are the state of raised bogs - where large scale industrial strip mining has destroyed around 98% of our raised bogs over a period of about 50 years.

    But was there a peep out of this "concerned about our bogs" clown show about these things?. Silence about the 1m hectares of bog that have been degraded by fuel harvesting but angry and "concerned" about wind turbines which including foundation and access uses about a quarter of a hectare/half an acre of land each? Yeah sure, these guys are real guardians of the natural environment. One complete moron suggesting that a strip mined bog provides a super environment for nature to flourish.

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that this environmental concern is simply a complete lie.

    These are toxic people who are generally motivated by:

    • NIMBYism - they want all the trappings and comfort of modern life but want to get to pick and chose and want someone else to do the heavy lifting. Basically and fundamentally these are selfish bitter people who have no sense of being part of a society or sharing the planet with others and will expend considerable energy pushing their sociopathic agenda. It doesn't even have to affect them in any way - a change of any description to any aspect of the world around them counts as an attack/insult.
    • Residual climate-change denialism - the ones who went to bat for Koch brothers propaganda years ago and just can't accept that they've been duped. And now have aligned with Trump's view on AGW and wind and solar generation. The ones who will still rant on about Eamon Ryan years after he's gone.
    • Some sort of fixation/derangement. These will spend time fabricating user names and multi-accounts. They will be banned from fora but keep coming back. They get mad/angry/insulted/abusive when their delusions are even mildly questions. Basically these are not mentally healthy people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Your the moron on this - I suggest you consult the National Biodiversity Data Base as to the species that are found on recovering peatlands across the midlands. I would also suggest you educate yourself on the growing number of community based bog rehabilitation projects in and around same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    I'm sure slashing/burning Amazonian rain forest increases the variety of grasses in the area. I don't think you really get this "natural environment" idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    More wind farms need to be located on the west coast where most of the wind is. Most of the wind farms are located in the East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,607 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Most wind farms are on the west coast. Top counties in October were

    1. Kerry (155.6GWh)
    2. Cork (144GWh)
    3. Galway (84.1GWh)
    4. Derry (82.6GWh)
    5. Tipperary (79.7GWh)

    These figures and other fantastic analysis is available at

    https://bsky.app/profile/greencollective.io/post/3m4xcd2wktc2s

    [Ed] I've removed the map I previously included because there's a lot of biomass in Offaly's overall renewable numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Sorry You are right on that. However most development of new windfarns is on the east coast because the water is shallower. large projects planned near Wicklow, Dublin, and Louth. Wind is still only 11% of our domestic energy consumption though 35-40% of production.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Blades have to be sized to survive the strongest winds. So a location less exposed to stormy weather may be able to generate more average power because you can use bigger blades.

    You could argue that there should be more wind farms in the East because that's where the demand and interconnectors are.

    There's lots of sandbanks off the east coast so we should be rolling them out there.

    Leitrim County Council gets 22% of it rates from 93MW of wind farms.

    330MW more and it would be nice to imagine that the Local Property Tax could be replaced by sunshine, lollipops and rainbows , or at least discounted.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    France's onshore wind auction earlier this week was oversubscribed and prices dropped a little since the previous round in April to €86.60/MWh for the 952.8MW awarded.

    "At the end of June, France had 23.66 GW of grid-connected onshore wind parks. Its goal under the PPE tender programme is to reach between 33.2 GW and 34.7 GW by 2028" So we should be able to import more of that when prices are favourable.

    List of Winners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Great stuff. When the new interconnector to Spain is built we will be sucking in a significant amount of renewable energy. We should be in a position to drastically reduce our reliance on gas in the early 30's. It would be great to see more of that forward thinking here.

    If we were able to build large scale BESS farms tied to 200-300+ turbines* from north Antrim down to Dungarvan bay we'd be well on the way to self-sufficiency - with interconnectors providing supplementing when needed.

    *I know there's plans for east coast offshore wind farms but the legal headwinds (pun intended) are significant at this present time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭GasolineAlley


    …and the people of Leitrim would only have to sacrifice their environment in return. Great plan.

    if the consumption of Leitrim is about 130GWh then about 250 % of production would be produced at the expense of the local environment for export to outsiders and who would those be in practice…Datacenters. It isn't just the Midland Counties which are seen as Schmucks to be sucked dry.

    As Leitrim properties are all in Band 1 for LPT they would be selling themselves far short. This is the sort of wheeling and dealing that saw Manhattan Island traded for Beads and Trinkets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    Each county should only consume electricity produced within its borders? 🙄

    You're also against Leitrim people consuming electricity produced in Moneypoint, Whitegate, Poolbeg, Huntstown or Great Island, I take it? Otherwise, I could easily get the impression that you're a selfish, self-entitled, NIBMY, sponger who is happy to "suck" from the Irish t*t but throws tantrums when ask to give anything back.

    Just to be clear, I'm not saying that you're all those things, just that one could get that impression 😉

    If you don't want to be part of the Irish nation or be part of wider Irish society (except as a leech and sponger), would you ever just f*ck off to a deserted island somewhere? That way no "outsiders" will be able to "suck you dry" and you can live the perfect dog-in-a-manger solitary life.



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