Israel/Palestine Thread

wildgreen · 08-11-2025 10:30AM

Interesting that the zionist lobby groups can be challenged.

The UK's Charity Commission has taken on Wednesday regulatory action against the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) after a complaint by CAGE International, which accused the organisation of acting as a political lobby for Israel under the guise of charity.

The Commission confirmed that the CAA had been issued a remedial Action Plan under section 15(2) of the Charities Act 2011, requiring its trustees to address governance and compliance concerns following allegations that the group's activities breach charity law.

The decision follows a detailed submission by CAGE earlier this year against both the CAA and UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI). The complaint accused the two organisations of defending and promoting Israel's apartheid and genocidal policies while using vexatious legal tactics to harass and silence pro-Palestinian voices across the UK.

According to CAGE, both groups have systematically weaponised complaint systems against universities, employers, and professionals who express support for Palestine, contributing to what the organisation calls "state-led repression of solidarity activism".

Strazdas · 08-11-2025 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123970291#Comment_123970291

The existence of Zionist pro-Israeli lobby groups in the West is very real. Attempting to draw attention to them wouldn't be "anti-Semitic" - many decent Jewish people have warned about them and how malevolent and corrupt they are. It's a fact too that they invariably have money and clout, hence being able to influence government and media narratives.

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 12:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123971581#Comment_123971581

That was my thought - Israel had already objected to Turkey but maybe there was a more definitive "no" to Turkey in the last few days. But it seems the charging of Israelis has been going on in the background for some time.

Certainly, Israel despises Turkey and Erdogan who consistently excoriates them at every opportunity.

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 01:41PM

More pressure on the Genocidal State:

"The FAI has voted to submit a motion to UEFA to ban Israel from its European club and international competitions."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2025/1108/1542874-fai-to-bring-motion-to-ban-israel-from-euro-competition/

Tell me how · 08-11-2025 02:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972079#Comment_123972079

Its an interesting move by the FAI. I applaud them for it but still find it curious. The head of FIFA is fully on the side of Israel and whike that is FIFA, im sure he'll have some pressure or pull he can exert on board members within UEFA.

One thing im sure of, if John Delaney was still over the FAI, this motion wouldn't have been passed.

Its also curious because UEFA were going to consider this recently but when the "ceasefire" was announced they held off on voting on it. So I don't think anything will happen, politically, its too easy for UEFA to say that now is not the time to alienate Israel which will be a cop out but thats the world we live in.

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 03:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972174#Comment_123972174

Agreed - but the fact there is a "ceasefire" in place does not absolve Israel of anything. They are getting worse in the WB and letting settlers do whatever they like with zero consequences.

I haven't seen any recent figures but the agreed amounts of aid are almost certainly not getting in.

Israel still needs to pressured to quit their warmongering and aggression. If organisations can keep proposing bans in sport, music etc. then that's a good thing - keeps the Israeli atrocities in the news.

But Israel being Israel, there will be more dirty laundry coming out any day soon.

Jack Daw · 08-11-2025 03:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972079#Comment_123972079

A pointless gesture that just makes Ireland look like idiots .

It makes zero difference to Israel as a country if the soccer team is banned and a ceasefire has now been declared, its the usual pathetic virtue signalling this country likes to engage in constantly and surely in a sporting sense if you want to get back at Israel the best thing thing to do is hammer them on the field of play.

BTW Russia shouldn't be banned by UEFA either , sportsmen and women shouldn't be punished for something their government has done

Tell me how · 08-11-2025 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972622#Comment_123972622

It absolutely makes a difference, it does alienate a country and sows discord amongst its population that it is being treated this way which can lead to political pressure.

Lindsey Graham came out and threatened Ireland for this, if it made no difference, he wouldn't be doing that and Israel wouldn't fight so hard to stay involved in sports comedians and the likes of the Eurovision.

I'm not reveling in making innocent people suffer because of the actions of their government, but participation bans is a relatively harmless way to exert pressure on a country and so Im in favour of them.

Tony EH · 08-11-2025 05:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972622#Comment_123972622

If it'll wind people like you up, then I applaud it even harder.

Jack Daw · 08-11-2025 05:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972897#Comment_123972897

I dont really care, dont care if Israel never plays another match or ceased to exist as a country in the morning , so it doesn't wind me up at all.

However these things make zero difference , the war in Ukraine is still ongoing 3 years after Russia have been banned

Also it's nice that you agree with me and realise it won't make any difference but are in favour of it as you thought ot would annoy an anonymous stranger on the internet.Proves that it really is all about virtue signalling rather than anything meaningful.

Jack Daw · 08-11-2025 05:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972654#Comment_123972654

3 years Russia have been banned , its made no difference.It might as well not have happened for all the impact its had.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-11-2025 05:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972949#Comment_123972949

Genocidal states should never be normalised and allowing those genocidal states to participate in international competition normalises them

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 06:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972943#Comment_123972943

It seems pretty odd for someone who doesn't care about Israel being banned to be posting about it.

Even more odd when you're posting about a subject that makes "zero difference".

Is it that it just annoys you that other people would post about it? If so, I think that's pretty lame.

Jack Daw · 08-11-2025 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972996#Comment_123972996

Certain Genocidal states are allowed to be normalised Saudi Arabia weren't banned for what they did in Yemen, USA and UK weren't banned for what they did in Iraq

Sports related crime should get a sports related punishment , you dont punish real crimes with sporting punishments in my opinion, it just punishes people who've done nothing wrong for something their government has done

There is also the problem that this motion will almost certainly be defeated in UEFA aswell so it'll end up being completely pointless

tayto lover · 08-11-2025 06:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972949#Comment_123972949

Russia doesn't like it and neither would Israel. Of course it effects them.

Jack Daw · 08-11-2025 06:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973044#Comment_123973044

Well it's in the news so I thought I'd just comment, also it's just more evidence of this country's obsession with pointless gesture politics.

I'll be off now, no more commenting from me, I've better things to be doing with my time.

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 06:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973050#Comment_123973050

But it's not just about the sports people - it's the fans too - as we've seen with the supporters of Maccabi Tel Aviv. Racists and thugs.

Also, as a state with conscription, many Israeli citizens will have served in the IDF over the last two years - may have served on the front lines and Genocided a few Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank or killed a few Lebanese. They've killed Irish peacekeepers in the past too.

Ban them all - a Genocidal State has no place strutting about on the world stage in any kind of event.

Sure - imagine if Hamas had a soccer team - bet you wouldn't like them to be playing at the Aviva.

Nugget89 · 08-11-2025 06:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973050#Comment_123973050

"Sports related crime should get a sports related punishment"

Did you not read the motion? It's not punishment for genocide. It's asking for UEFA to implement their own rules.

"….requesting the immediate suspension of the Israel Football Association (IFA) from UEFA competitions due to its violating two independent provisions of the UEFA Statutes…"

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-11-2025 07:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973050#Comment_123973050

That is correct and they should have been banned for what they did. I am confused by your stance though, do you think nobody should be banned from international competitions irrespective as to what they do?

dePeatrick · 08-11-2025 07:23PM

A ceasefire was agreed to end the war, but that has not stopped Israel from attacking. On Sunday, an air attack killed four people. A few days before that, last Friday, another Israeli strike killed a man on a motorbike. And on October 17 Israeli warplanes killed at least one person.

None of these attacks were in Gaza – where Israel has also spent the few weeks since a ceasefire began on October 10 conducting attacks, many of them far more deadly than those described above.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/11/4/how-israel-is-using-no-war-no-peace-lebanonisation-model-in-gaza

Instead the attacks mentioned were conducted by Israel in Lebanon, and come a year after a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah began. Yet, despite that ceasefire, Israel has continued to attack sites across Lebanon periodically, much to the anger of the Lebanese people and government.

kowloon · 08-11-2025 07:24PM

If it pisses off Lindsey Graham, it's worth doing for that reason alone.

Jack Daw · 08-11-2025 07:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973283#Comment_123973283

I dont think teams and individuals should be banned for something their politicians have done.

tayto lover · 08-11-2025 07:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973396#Comment_123973396

They represent the country that those politicians are running. Israel is a Pariah state. Great to see Ireland proposing a ban. There were Palestinians footballers murdered in Gaza too.

Odhinn · 08-11-2025 07:44PM

More systematic brutality from the far right regime -

"Israel’s underground jail, where Palestinians are held without charge and never see daylight

Exclusive: Detainees at Rakefet include nurse deprived of natural light since January, and teenager held for nine months

Emma Graham-Harrison in JerusalemSat 8 Nov 2025 13.24 CET

Israel is holding dozens of Palestinians from Gaza isolated in an underground jail where they never see daylight, are deprived of adequate food and barred from receiving news of their families or the outside world.

The detainees have included at least two civilians held for months without charge or trial: a nurse detained in his scrubs, and a young food seller, according to lawyers from the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) who represent both men.

The two men were transferred to the subterranean Rakefet complex in January, and described regular beatings and violence consistent with well-documented torture in other Israeli detention centres."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/08/israel-underground-jail-rakefet-palestinians-gaza-detainees

Strazdas · 08-11-2025 08:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973396#Comment_123973396

That would be fine if there was a general belief that the public of that country were opposed to their government's actions. But all the indications are that the Israeli public have been fully on board with the genocide and the war crimes and that includes the teams and athletes and Eurovision singers etc.

Sudden Valley · 08-11-2025 08:39PM

The sports and cultural boycott against South Africa did affect them. It doesnt end conflict immediately but it does point out to the people in those countries what the rest of the world thinks of their countries actions.

A Dub in Glasgo · 08-11-2025 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123973396#Comment_123973396

That is an interesting position to take. So no team or individual should be banned for representing any state or country irrespective what that country carried out even if they support those atrocities. You are normalising genocide.

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 09:01PM

Seems the US are making a hames of proposed aid delivery. But they've at least taken Israel out of the loop.

Probably too late for many Palestinians and certainly for malnourished kids who will live with that for the rest of their lives.

The U.S. military's coordination center in southern Israel will oversee the delivery of aid to the Gaza Strip instead of Israel, The Washington Post reported.

The sources added that Israel remains "part of the conversation," but final decisions will ultimately be made by Washington.

The report described people familiar with the U.S. center's first weeks of operations in Kiryat Gat as "chaotic and indecisive."

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 09:04PM

Interesting opinion piece - but Israel has been at war for many decades, it's nothing new.

"The October 7 massacre was a shattering event.

The fact that it was broadcast in real time to millions of Israelis made it especially traumatic.

Since then, belief in an eternal war has taken root across Israeli society.

The secular center now speaks of "managing the conflict" indefinitely.

MK Benny Gantz, head of the National Unity Party, recently endorsed the recently appointed Shin Bet chief's remark that this is, indeed, "an eternal war.

According to this view, the risk of another October 7 is not random but inherent – a built-in feature of reality"

Nevo Spiegel

dmcdona · 08-11-2025 09:06PM

Seems the Settlers don't care who they attack - they even attack their own. What a murderous bunch of thugs.

Israeli settlers carried out at least 264 attacks against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank during October, marking the biggest monthly total since United Nations officials began tracking such incidents in 2006, the UN said.

Israeli settlers attacked Palestinian olive harvesters in the West Bank villages of Beita and Burin near Nablus on Saturday, injuring at least 11 people, including an IDF reservist and the principal of an art school.

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