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Navan Rail Line

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  • #722
    Ronald Binge Redux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Ronald Binge Redux


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123972292#Comment_123972292

    They won't be empty for long. A rare case in Ireland of infrastructure that can drive development, which is commonsense nearly everywhere else.



  • #723
    thosewhoknow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭thosewhoknow


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123968666#Comment_123968666

    The line (orange line on the left) is already being diverted to run closer to Dunshaughlin in Option A, and development (Dun Rioga on the map) near the line is underway not even a kilometre away (according to Google Earth). I wouldn’t describe it as having to build a “new town.”

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  • #724
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123967643#Comment_123967643

    There's an M3 Parkway train that has about 300 passengers on it by the time it's in Clonsilla. Passengers regularly getting left behind on the platforms, as it's full. It's not just about the number of passengers from M3 Parkway. Those trains serve other stations too.



  • #725
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Also the M3 Parkway station is only representing a small amount of potential rail demand. We know that because of the sunk cost of owning a car, that a lot of people driving from Navan to Dublin will just drive past the station and continue to their destination. Total potential rail demand is more like a percentage of the car traffic between Navan and Dublin, and everybody who currently uses the bus.



  • #726
    gjim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭gjim


    when they actually get a train line into navan then 500 will be a half of every train as numbers will balloon.

    How do you come up with a claim like that? 1,000 people every 30 minutes will board a train for Dublin?

    This would make Navan station twice as busy as Tara or Connolly. This is highly unlikely to say the least.

    People have completely unrealistic notions of rail passenger numbers. Optimistically you might argue Navan could achieve the numbers we see in places like Greystones or Howth (both under 2k a day) but most passenger demand models suggest the fact that the distance between Dublin and Navan is twice that of the distance to Greystones means demand - all other things being equal - will be about a quarter. So we're back to roughly 500 or so a day.



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  • #727
    PlatformNine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭PlatformNine


    I really wouldn't underestimate Navan ridership. There is a lot going for it, and there are a few things I don't think has been mentioned.

    The first big change that will more generally see increased numbers from last year is the new fare zones. Comparing Navan to Drogheda as two of our largest towns and at similar distance (although different fare zones), the price of rail fares was halved earlier this year. Drogheda already had about 3.5K passengers a year (Boardings+Alightings) and we have yet to see how much that may have increased with the PSO bus and train fares now being less than a euro difference, and the train also previously being more expensive than some of the private coaches. While I don't expect it to have doubled or any massive increase like that, I am hoping it will see a noticeable bump in numbers, possibly to over 4K a day.

    Another thing Navan will have going for it is the second station within the town. Where almost every other large town the Dublin commuter network has just 1 station, previous IÉ proposals have placed 2 in Navan, with the second being at the start of the Kingscourt Greenway. This will hopefully make a massive difference in the direct catchment and allow for more transport-oriented development in the northern part of Navan and would likely increase the numbers by a significant amount in the long term.

    Also in regards to Dunshaughlin and somewhat by extension Ratoath and Ashbourne, all three towns have seen massive population growth in recent years and it really shows the need for more transport-oriented development in the area. I think there really needs to be some intervention to support more growth in Dunshaughlin and maybe also western Ratoath, so that way newer development can have better access to a railway station. Whereas on the current track Ashbourne is on its way to becoming Navan 2.0 or Swords 2.0, large towns which have far outgrown the bus services and need a higher capacity intervention.



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