Israel/Palestine Thread

The historic relationship between top Tories and the Israeli government has been laid bare in a remarkable cache of leaked emails seen by Declassified.

Over several years, senior figures within the party exchanged strikingly friendly correspondence in private with Ron Prosor, the former Israeli ambassador to the UK.

In one email, a Conservative lord wrote simply: “If you don’t call me while you are here, I will cry.”

Another Tory grandee told Prosor: “You still have friends close to number ten!!!”

The correspondence was discovered by Declassified after thousands of Prosor’s private emails were published by the file sharing website Distributed Denial of Secrets (DDoS).

Hey Brendan, if you are constantly posting in support of a country committing a genocide against its neighbors - what do you think people assume about you?

I mean the world is telling you what this is (well at least the part of the world that operates on facts and evidence).

The people on this thread who also use facts to form their opinion agree with them, and rightly think the whole thing is an absolute disgrace, and cannot fathom why a country doing this wouldnt be sanctioned to the highest degree.

So far the only real retort from those in the thread who ignore facts and logic, and who operate by peddling bullsh*t, is that every single humanitarian NGO /international legal institution / international medical organisation /genocide scholar telling us what this is, are antisemetic, or influenced by Hamas (a militia operating in a place smaller than Dublin). Not a single one has been able to find any proof that forms the 'belief' that they parrot here incessantly.

I don't know that posters history, but many (non brainwashed people) can safely assume if they are still here, 2 years later, posting in support of Israel - who have /are committing genocide - that they are fully behind them. I don't think you can be a half supporter of it.

And oh, that poster (and many others) will say "I never said I supported everything", but if you push them on what actions they condemn, they disappear...

So tell me Brendan, what actions committed by the IDF and Israeli politicians against civilians in Gaza do you condemn?

It isn't a trick question, and if you can't answer it, why can't we assume you (and that poster) support it all?

Israel's Ministry of Construction and Housing has published two tenders this week for the construction of 356 new housing units in a settlement southeast of the Palestinian city of Ramallah.

The plan is to build 342 units across five compounds as well as 14 homes for reservists' families in Geva Binyamin (Adam), according to Israel's Peace Now movement, which added that tenders were issued in August for 4,030 housing units in the settlements of Ma'ale Adumim and Ariel.

So far this year, tenders have been published for 5,667 settlement housing units, which is by far the highest annual total ever recorded. If all these homes are built, another 25,000 settlers could live in the occupied West Bank, Peace Now said.

The group, which backs a two-state solution, said that the Netanyahu government "is exploiting every moment in power to destroy Israel's chances for a future of peace and prosperity".

"The American president may have declared that there will be no annexation, but the Israeli government is doing everything it can to realise the annexation on the ground and turn Israel into an apartheid state," it said

https://peacenow.org.il/en/in-a-record-year-for-settlements-356-housing-units-tendered-in-geva-binyamin

https://deadline.com/2025/11/bbc-arabic-oversight-reworked-anti-israel-bias-1236606459/

hmmm…. You lads may have missed this……..

I'm aware I'm likely asking questions into the void such is your style of not engaging - but 2 q's:

1. Did you read the article or just the headline?
2. Have you seen a single link on here from BBC Arabic? Most people don't speak the language i'd imagine. I didn't even know there was a BBC Arabic.

I ask because the issues that article raises are that BBC Arabic ran more articles critical of Israel than mainstream BBC, and less critical of Hamas, indicating a more anti Israel bias.

So that article is, ergo, also saying that the mainstream BBC (that people here reference all the time) are more critical of Hamas and less critical of Israel, showing a more pro Israel bias. Or what exactly is your take on it?

And tbh not really good manners to dump a link and walk away with no insight, and expect everyone else to do the job of reading it for you.

Israel has almost everything it wanted from the ceasefire so now it has withdrawn from it and is preventing aid from getting into Gaza. Scum.

For now, Israel is not moving forward on any measures as far as the ceasefire is concerned.

It will not make any progress on the delivery of aid or on withdrawing from areas in Gaza until and unless the six remaining bodies are handed over.

Maybe they could allow independent journalists in instead of just murdering them?

But are you saying the BBC is a questionable source? All you have shown is that BBC Arabic is undergoing scrutiny when compared to the main site, which is more pro Israel than the Arabic site. The main site, afaik, is what most people here link to as a source.

The elephant in the room here is that, trustworthy news services or not, Israel clearly has something very dark to hide by taking the unprecedented step* of barring all journalists from reporting Gaza.

Despite all these hundreds and hundreds of journalists and media workers not being allowed to do their job of keeping power in check, Israel's execution of this conflict has still made it the deadliest conflict for journalists in the period covered by modern monitoring (approx 250-280 killed), as they have killed so many local ones. It is impossible for this to have happened without systematic targeting of them.

*When I say unprecedented I mean in war of course, it is not unprecedented in genocide or ethnic cleansing operations; two recent examples when foreign journalists were barred from reporting on events in Rwanda in 1994, and Myanmar in 2017 (journalists expelled).

Of course, one was declared a genocide, the other is like Israel accused of such and there is a case with the ICJ (which Ireland is also supporting, guess we are we all anti Myanmar as well as antisemetic).

All sources are questionable is a good mantra to have in general, warzone or not.

Which of course, Gaza is not. A warzone would imply a war going on. A war would imply two (or more) militaries.

This is a genocide -according to those in the know- masquerading as an anti terror operation, pretending to be a war to justify itself.

One side has drones, top of the range weapons, an air force, tanks, a conscripted well trained army, a navy, anti missile devices, bunker buster bombs, ALL used overwhelmingly on civilians. They also have control over food, aid and water (which they used as a weapon).

The other is a Jihadis terrorist militia with assault rifles and homemade rocket launchers, operating from tunnels in an extremely poverty stricken enclave, as the other side mass murders civilians there on a daily basis.

That is not war.

Now - again, you don't apply your scrutiny equally. You gobble up anything pro Israel / anti Muslim, I haven't seen you question a single one of the blatant misstatements. Why?

I can't help but think what you are really saying is, if we use facts, legitimate media who fact checks, and listen to experts in the fields of international humanitarianism, law, and medical care, and it hurts Israel, it isn't to be believed. Because of some Arabic news site that shows the opposite of what you were arguing for.

But if you ream some crap off facebook or twitter that supports Israel in this war, yum yum.

Should we believe reports of the holocaust in WW2?

Apparently not by your logic as, after all it was a war zone. Isn’t that right Brendan?

You are right, I'm not getting your point at all. You weren't where? In Gaza or in the BBC?

This is soap TV for Israelis.

Israa al-Areer stares at the big screen like she has done so many times since the bodies began arriving from Israel.

The process is repetitive. Every time the bodies of Palestinians are released by Israel, they arrive at southern Gaza’s Nasser Hospital, where they are photographed by forensic department staff. The pictures of the dead are then displayed on a screen in a large hall where families and friends of missing Palestinians watch on.