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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Yeah he wanted to bring them Friday. I’ll give them another month at least. They are still putting on weight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭kk.man


    There are short so and calculating the risk of a higher price in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭nearlybreak


    marts will drop off after this week and anything put in won’t be seen till after Xmas they will get culled cows for a few weeks but prime beef is not there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Just been quoted €8 flat for 8 Angus some under 30 months but 3 over 30 months, heading west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭grass10


    I know 2 hauliers/agents that get a call from local factories to buy cattle for next day kill when they are short of cattle these lads tell everyone they are getting special prices but more often than not our agents seem to be in very bad mood for 2 weeks after and complain that the factories robbed them, yet the next month they pay crazy prices for cattle in marts for a couple of days again.

    Most of these lads income is just cattle haulage for customers but they dream about buying cattle for factories



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭epfff


    Agents serv no purpose in the chain buying or selling they add no value only take a cut. The sooner farmers discover this the better for whole industry. Most have nothing to offer and give free advice to help themselves make easy money.

    Don't worry about them losing money on a few they buy in public. The advertising it gives gets them lots of soft cattle from honest men that love been taken advantage of.

    Im on about guys that have a load of cattle on farm ready at any time they are called.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Factory fit aa bullocks in kk today making the equivalent of 8.25 flat. Negotiate harder or go the mart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Your at the factories mercy, producer group gets good money when scarce but when they are plentiful the farmer with just the few gets as good if not better money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭50HX


    Under age to the mart & negotiate the over age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭nearlybreak


    spot on made them up at 8.30 flat but we won’t argue over that Kilkenny is hot today factories must be out in force



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,949 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Would the underage going to the factory not help negotiate the overage, normally it takes a few legit ones to get rid of the oddballs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭50HX


    Normally yes but in these times let them fight over them in the mart & you've option to walk away from the mart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Usually the Korean numbers you have when the agent calls the more he will pay. It also depends on where you are based. Kilkenny would be 20c per kg LW ahead of the rest of the country. We were hard pushed to get 7.6/ kg, grading was hard on the Friesians but they were still 150 ahead of the local marts. There was no way we were getting a flat price. Interestingly we got a 10c/ kg HE bonus on an under 30 month 5 movement HE heifers but no QA.

    You have to do the sums on differencenin costs between mart and factory and have the correct weight assumptions

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Oh this is just the start of the dance. I got 20c more than the first quote last time round so I'd be hopeful of the same again. I'm in no hurry to sell but there seems to be no remarks past on over 30 months where he goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Im after buying a clatter of 4 movement and aged cattle they r great value and they will kill same price as the in spec ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Yeah age is only a number again this year. I’d say close to 1/3 of my bulls have been overage this last 3 years and not a mention of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I saw a cracken white charlaois bullock a few weeks back 400 odd kg making 1500e thing is he was 33 months. I was distracted when the auctioneer was talking before the bidding so I wasn't confident enough to buy him. That's where the in person by the ring would be of benefit you might be able to see why he was that weight for age. He must have been sick in his youth or could have a sore foot. Now he be no u grade but he'd definitely be an r.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If he was a bit cheaper and in a Kerry marts I be buying him. You will come across a bit of that stuff down there. About 6ish years ago I bought a red Charley in Castleisland around September was 30 odds months and 450 ish kgs, he hung 400+kgs DW following June, he only got ration for the 8 weeks before slaughter.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    anyone would be a mug to sell through certain marts down that part of the world

    sellers are getting murdered on weight out of one popular place in particular



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭kk.man


    If you live in a remote part of Kerry as anywhere else you got to play the hand your delt with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You are waffling. There is no way at present I would get the same locally for under and over age cattle in the factory. The will not flat price them for me. Therefore tgat is reflected in the price in marts. Earlier innthe week.in Kilmallock overv30 months AA and HE were not making 4/ kg it has changed as the week went on but they still are not on fire.

    You.play the hand you are dealt. The previous lad that had that bullock made a bad job of him. IHad a friesuan with him that I had fir two years. The CH did 70ishkgs between buying and housing. He did 60+ on silage.only and was back mouth to grass by early February with the Friesian. I put them on 4kgs each by themselves for the eight weeks. He graded R+ the friesian killed 440kgs at O+.I think they both made much higher the same money at slaughter about 1800 euro at the time

    Out of spec over age, non QA is a tough sell at local plants

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That Is about it. Another November evening in Gortalea it was not long open I bought a 4-5 lots, there was two single HEx one was a bull that was squeezed very late I say he had a massive head on him,he only did ok, the other HE was 400kgs at purchase and he killed 399 DW as an R the following September he cost 650ish euro, got no HE bonus on him, there was a bunch of 5 AA that looked like black JEX's they were 280 ish kgs I think and had to get nearly pushed into the ring off the scales, I bought them at 450 euro or maybe less, they all killed R-/O+ @about 330 kgs 12 months later they turned into great cattle, there was another 2-3 singles and AA bull and bullock as well as a belted Galoway down as an AA. One died in me about 15 months later, That is why you need to buy them cheap, they do not all work out

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    i can understand that but some people travel a fair distance to go to that particular mart only for their cattle to stand around all day before being sold late that evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Again you are waffling. The reason the mart you are referring to dose well is the owner/manager gaurantees a minimum price to sellers. And yes tge weights can be poor for the seller but on tge other hand at another mart they would be at the mercy of lads around the ring on a quite day. If it's a strong mart they may go well beyond the guaranteed price. If you are down around West Cork or South and West Kerry you have little choices as few buyers go down to those marts. Sellers have choices that is all he can provide them with

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭WoozieWu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭DBK1


    He’s not really waffling though, there’s a reason lads like me in the midlands pass by 20 marts closer to us to get to Gortatlea (I assume that’s the one ye’re referencing) to buy stock and then pay a lorry to get them up the road. It’s not because Mauty will give us a clap on the back or a handshake to welcome us there, it’s because the cattle come out of there weighing nothing and they’re good value to us relative to buying local even with the haulage costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Are the cattle weighing nothing in Gortatlea cause they are penned for so long before being sold or is the scales rigged ?

    If sellers are getting bad money for their cattle why don't they sell somewhere else as DB has said it can't be great for sellers if he like other I presume are passing by a load of marts to get cheap animals in Gortatlea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭DBK1


    From standing around all day. It’s far too small a mart for the amount of stock going through it. There have been weanling sales there at this time of year that start at 3 or 4 in the day and didn’t finish until 3 in the morning. Weanlings being sold after midnight and they after being in the mart since midday or before it and some of them travelling 2 or 3 hours on a lorry to get there. I’ve bought weanlings there that came from Skibbereen and further away.

    I’ve gotten friendly with a haulier that lives close to it and he brings 2 or 3 double decker artics out of it every week at weanling sale time and he’d be heading for Meath/Westmeath direction with 90% of them. I’m in Offaly and he’d have mine in the yard for me between 5 and 6 in the morning. I’m not going to give exact locations because it would be easy identify some of the buyers but it’s a 5 to 6 hour drive on the lorry to get the weanlings to their destination. There’s hardly a mart anywhere in the country further away from them men’s yards and yet they still buy all out of Gortatlea

    Like @WoozieWu I think it’s madness for any lad to sell weanlings there but as a buyer I won’t complain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Robson99




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