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Crypto tax situation - Read post 1 for thread banned users

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,978 ✭✭✭Worztron


    When cashing out, do ye contact yere bank to tell them of the transactions?

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,746 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    As in cashing out to your bank account? The transaction is sent to their system from the exchange. Why would you ned to tell them in advance? You you tell them when anyone else sends you money.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,574 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Depending on the amount they may reject the transfer, I've had it happen before relating to non crypto related transfers between banks (the new EU banking regulations basically means if they can't verify and feel comfortable with where the money comes from they can be fined).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    it use to be a regular thing with banks blocking funds connected to crypto. I haven't heard it mentioned in a few years though so I think it has normalised/more accepted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,978 ✭✭✭Worztron


    Hi. Yes, but I mean if there's many transactions being deposited into your bank account that's not the usual for you, then perhaps it would look suspicious from their point of view.

    Mitch Hedberg: "Rice is great if you're really hungry and want to eat two thousand of something."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭BillBen


    Sorry if this has been answered before. I bought a number of different coins a number of years ago and I'm looking to get out of them all. I'm down about 2k in total. One of the coins I made 800. Am liable for any tax. Again sorry if this has been answered before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,189 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    If you dispose of all the coins, on some you'll make a gain and on others you'll make a loss. You can offset the losses against the gains. Since your losses exceed your gains, you'll have no liability to CGT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭BillBen


    Great. Thanks for the information



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭CorneliusBrown


    does anybody know if tokens that are locked in an abandoned project that went to 0 can be claimed in tax relief. I migrated the tokens early this year after which the admin abandoned the project and in any case the tokens are worthless. Obviously I can’t withdraw. This is money I invested for the purposes of profit that is lost to me forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    https://koinly.io/guides/crypto-tax-ireland/

    Lost or stolen crypto

    Many investors have lost crypto - whether it's to a scammer, hacker, or due to a rug pull. In most instances, it's nigh on impossible to get your crypto back - but you might be wondering whether you can at least claim your lost or stolen crypto as a capital loss.

    Well, Revenue doesn't have any specific guidance when it comes to lost or stolen crypto. However, they do have guidance on disposals where assets lost or destroyed become of negligible value, which may apply to crypto assets.

    This guidance states that where property is destroyed, there may be a consideration for a capital loss equal to its market value at that time. The guidance also states that where assets have become of a negligible value, there may be a consideration for a capital loss equal to the market value provided there is no ready mechanism available to the investor to dispose of the asset.

    All claims for a capital loss or negligible value claim are decided on a case-by-case basis by a Revenue inspector. You should speak to a tax advisor or Revenue for more information.

    https://www.cryptocount.ie/

    Ask Ciaran there^^^



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 wk222


    has anyone here a recommendation for an accountant? thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 wk222


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485334#Comment_121485334

    can you describe how to define a unit of account



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    If you are up or down, you should file a return. Any profits above €1.3k are subject to tax, but equally any losses can be written off against any future gains taxes you might be liable for.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭circadian


    Is there an up to date, easy to understand resource for all this? I'll be staking a substantial sum with around 5% APY and need to know where I stand in relation to collection of rewards, CGT and everything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    This isn’t rocket science. You sell and make a gain you pay CGT. You make money through staking, you pay income tax on the price at time of acquisition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭circadian


    Thanks for the patronising post. I wanted somewhere that could get into the finer points but sure, I pay whatever tax I assume is otherwise owed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,746 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Can you point to the tax regulations that you are basing that on?

    Treating crypto as a security subject to capital gains is well documented. But treating staking as income is a bit of a logical leap and not the only interpretation imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,189 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I think it's from first principles.

    As far as I understand staking — which, to be fair might not be very far — it works like this:

    • To engage in crypto staking, you have to actually own some crypto.
    • You commit to making your crypto available to help support the operation or security of a blockchain network.
    • While this commitment continues, your crypto is effectively locked up. You can't use it for other purposes, e.g. by trading it.
    • You do this in the hope or expectation of reward — effectively, you're paid for the use of your crypto. The reward could be in cash, or it could be in an allocation of additional crypto
    • The reward is somewhat variable — there's an element of randomness in when, or how often, your staked crypto is actually use for the purpose for which you have made it available, and in how much is generated by each use of the crypto, and this in turn means there's an element of randomness in the reward.
    • Losses are possible.

    As we know, there are few or no tax regulations that apply to crypto specifically; transactions involving crypto are taxed under the general rules that apply to transactions involving other assets.

    With crypto staking, effectively you're earning money by making your asset available to others to use. In economic terms, it's not that different from lending money, or hiring out plant and machinery. You could argue that your staking income is taxed on this basis, in which case it's subject to income tax as "miscellanous income" under Taxes Consolidation Act 1997 Schedule D Case IV.

    But one difference from a typical renting-out is that the return you earn is to some extent dependent on how your staked crypto is used — you have an interest in the use made of your crypto to support the system, and you participate the amounts generated by that use. On this view you're not really renting out your crypto — you're letting it be used on your behalf in operations that support the system, and also generate a return that you will receive a part of. If you take that view, then crypto staking is an "adventure in the nature of a trade", and the amount you earn is subject to income tax under Schedule D Case I.

    If you want to know which of these applies, you can seek a ruling from the Revenue Commissioners. But it makes no difference in terms of the amount of income tax you will owe.

    It's hard to argue that staking income should be subject to CGT, because CGT arises on the disposal of an asset, and with staking there is no disposal — at the end of the staking period, you still own your crypto.



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