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What is it about Ireland that makes UK retail fail here?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭yagan


    I was living in part time in England and Ireland before and after the Brexit vote so I'd be popping into Lidl/Aldi and Tesco both here and there. Some things were more expensive in England, like smoked salmon and good meat, but then alcohol would be a lot cheaper there because of the lower tax. I found Aldi/Lidl roughly around the same on regular items, meat is definitely cheaper and better quality in Ireland.

    Yes, you can get cheaper meat in England, but the quality and origin would be dubious. I remember the Tesco label on a chicken sandwich would say "meat from Thailand or Brazil", or maybe it's not chicken!!

    However even on the basics which were comparable in price my UK wage was a third less than what I was being paid in Ireland, so Ireland was definitely better value. I do miss not being able to get the Nigerian Guinness in Tesco in England, great stuff.

    In the industrial cities of England Wetherspoons would have a daytime drinking culture which isn't really a thing in Ireland. Pension pints, then the lunch crew for pints, then the after work/pre footy crowd would keep those pubs ticking along all the week days, but I can see how that absense of a working class any time pint can undermine the Wetherspoon model in Ireland. Plus their heated up food was never good.

    I think Iceland was being run as a separate franchise in Ireland before it shuttered due to over reliance on dubiously sourced meat.

    Screwfix is actually expanding and for me they kinda fill some of the Argos vacuum, although the only thing I used to use argos for was phones on offer.

    A lot of the British shops that retreated from Ireland are also in retreat at home, and that's where businesses with a massive economy of scale like Lidl, Aldi, Pennys/Primark, and other EU shops are still expanding there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Duke of Schomberg


    It's barely in the UK now - no stand-alone stores, just within Curry's stores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Tesco getting a bit of praise here.But no mention of their paddy tax on clothing currently 50% Example £10.00 for an item means 15.00 euro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Pity if Boots go. One 10 mins from me. Well stocked and great variety. Chemist Warehouse..over 5 years from opening, no proper website, can only scroll through catalog, throwback to 1990’s internet. cheaper doesn’t always mean better. They’ve opened 16 shops in 5 years here, but can’t pay to have a proper searchable functioning modern site ? Proper websites in other markets….UK, Australia and more besides.

    Hope Boots can stick around. The gift sets too are great, inexpensive. Got an FCUK one recently, two toiletries and a really quality nice bag, €13.95… A similar one elsewhere for €27.60 just with one more toiletry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I can say with hand on heart that Boots is defintely staying in Ireland.

    They have lodged a planning application to move into another store unit in Frascati SC in Blackrock in Dublin in the near future. A lot of the space that is outside it was actually covered up with lots of white hoardings there when I was there during the summer. The unit that they are taking up in Frascati was supposed to be taken up by an Irish gifts shop located in Nassau Street sometime before the pandemic.

    However, the owners of the Irish gift shop had some dispute with Frascati Centre's management over how much rent was meant to be paid to them when they used it. I forget the name of the Irish gift shop that was involved in the dispute. They had a long & protracted court case which was being reported in the papers for a very long time. They eventually never moved into Frascati at all. The unit stayed empty for a few years before Boots asked for permission to move into it some time ago.

    At least Boots have the money to actually to move into the unit to pay the rent. Another shop selling healthcare supplies for elderly & disabled people is supposed to be moving into Frascati SC in the near future. I think the owners of that business are going to take up the old unit for Boots in there once they get the go ahead to fit out the new store.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 newsandviews


    Because we don't like the english, that's pretty much it.

    To add nuance there is a certain contempt for the Irish customer and staff, parachuting in english managers who obviously give even less of a fook about the Irish staff and store is a mistake I've seen over and over

    A second important factor is alot of english products are of a poorer quality and relatively more expensive than comparablrle Irish products, this is particularly evident in regards food, visit a morrissons the next time you're in the UK mainland and you'll understand

    But the primary factor is we don't like the english



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,451 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    On Iceland, Dunnes have started putting Iceland branded sections in to their larger stores.

    There's a definite market for their product here, but the parent company has pulled out twice as well as a franchise failing, so it doesn't translate to keeping full store open



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,434 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    We liked Argos well enough for years and didn't like it when ran into ground…

    We seem to like Tesco, Boots, Clarks, M&S, Holland and Barrett etc

    Sainsburys so liked people cross border for it.

    Then there is the BBC, ITV, premier league, musicians and comedians gigging here.

    Treating Ireland as a branch rather than a proper regional \ country setup is a big issue in failures.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    Boots were recently taken over by a PE group - always bad news for consumers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭yagan


    I remember a niece telling me about tkmaxx hq in England kept sending union Jack emblazoned items to Ireland and then repeatedly asking why they weren't selling as well as in their British stores.

    My partners first name is the gaelic variant of a name common in Europe, but someone in the English hq who preferred not to learn asked her why she didn't just use her "real name".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,673 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Boots and TK Maxx are American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭yagan


    I knew that, but their Irish operations are run from Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,434 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Boots was founded in England, it's HQ is English. It was English when it set up shop here and that is how it operates in Ireland (as a subsidiary of UK) even if it's parent group is now multinational.

    And as evidenced by the Union Jacks… TK Maxx is American but is being run here as a subsidiary of the UK.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    They'd probably be called TJ Maxx if being run from the US operation, the renaming to TK Maxx was because of a trademark issue with TJ Hughes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭yagan


    When we were moving back to Ireland from England my wife had a job lined up with a UK company who'd recently acquired a franchise in Ireland, but when it came to negotiations they actually expected her to work for UK wages on a UK contract in Ireland!

    I think a lot of the expansion of UK brands into Ireland in the 1990s was just their UK operations expanding into the single market that came to be in 1992/3, and probably cheap introductory rates for anchor tenancies in the expanding suburbs.

    No doubt Brexit has become a speedbump for expansion of new businesses, but also other EU brands arriving in Ireland to compete too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Argos could have been Amazon, they weren't ambitious enough and too slow to go online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭NRH




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    What makes UK retail fail here - In the context of the café franchises, here, like Starbucks and Costa, is the difference in approach by Management.

    In the UK, Management of these Franchises make some effort to ensure that the " Starbucks experience ", for example is create in each branch.

    Here, Management don't give a flying fook. Simple as. The counter staff go on a script, which always begins or ends with "Have here or Take Away???"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Orban6


    A lot of the meals in Iceland were the same with the Union flag on the front of the packaging which can't have helped sales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,592 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The gift sets are too good. 2 Christmases ago I got 4 of them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,802 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The excise on beer is higher in the UK than in Ireland.

    Lower prices for beer in the UK are not due to differences in tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,451 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Orban6


    Never saw more than 3 or 4 people in the nearest Iceland on the rare occasion I was there.

    M&S also closed their nearest store to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,807 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Going to an Iceland shop was like visiting the UK, based on accents heard in the shop.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,448 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i was in the range a couple of months ago - in what had been homebase in gullivers, santry.

    was amused to see several pallets in the garden section (might have been pots on them) each with an A4 sheet on them stating in large letters 'NOT FOR EU'

    also, they sell 25kg bags of peanuts in the bird food section. €50 in ireland, £25 on the UK site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭yagan


    I felt the same visiting west Cork a weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭csirl


    Boots is going nowhere - prescription dispensing in Ireland is a goldmine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,844 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Bit of a failed model anyway. Why go to a separate shop for chilled or frozen stuff when you buy them in a normal store with the rest of your shopping.

    Only ever visited one in the UK occasionally, wasn't impressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,434 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They had upped their game a bit here. I used to pop into one in Coolock for a topup type shop. They eventually started stocking a basic selection of fresh stuff eg bread, milk, cheese, butter, fresh food and veg aswell as the frozen stuff which had good ready meals, fish, seafood etc. Some stuff I did wonder who would buy… eg frozen faggots.

    The Coolock store also for a while at least would deliver stuff to you later than day if you did a large shop in there, which was handy for people without a car. The unit is still vacant.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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