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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    If I was running FF, I'd be asking for my money back, and issuing a statement saying that I would not be using Yeats' services in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,850 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Why would they ask for their money back if they agreed to the terms?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,446 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Really, this is RTÉ just saying "Honest guv, we didn't know nuffink", in their best estuary accent.

    A serious organisation would have a no conflict of interest clause in any contract with contributers, as this is what has come to light - a person apparently by omission has been shown to be involved in a serious conflict of interest, allowing the public the presumption that they are an independent observer when they are anything but.

    Of course, in reality, down the years many if not most commentators on RTÉ have been connected to one or other mainstream party by an umbilical cord. Yeats' smear the bejaysus comment made it appear that he was if anything working for FG, when we now know it is more likely that he was actually touting for work, his chosen candidate having been dropped like a hot brick by FF. So quick was his turn-around that you'd even wonder if Yeats might have had some input in the selection process and was trying to put as much clear blue sea between himself and Gavin as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,433 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    A serious organisation would have a no conflict of interest clause in any contract with contributers

    Hmm do we know they dont?

    Scoping Document be prepared on introducing a Register of
    Interests https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/33/committee_of_public_accounts/submissions/2024/2024-01-09_correspondence-kevin-bakhurst-director-general-rte-r2148-pac33-item-6_en.pdf

    2.10 What is the position regarding outside contractors / programme guests?
    Contractors / programme guests are obviously not staff and therefore entitled to
    conduct their own business and financial affairs outside of RTÉ.
    The issue is to ensure appropriate visibility for RTÉ of any such business or other
    activity which could reasonably be seen to impinge on the impartiality of a broadcast
    or result in a benefit to a person or entity via their role with RTÉ.
    The existing Employee Handbook makes no distinction between staff and
    contractors. It states presenters should not be associated with commercial or other
    interests such that the audience’s perception of their broadcasting role is or could be
    adversely affected. This includes associating the individual with the promotion of any
    product or service or allowing the fact that the individual uses a particular product or
    service to be linked to its promotion

    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes.

    Shows the level that FF are willing to go to to keep power . Two important ministries with vital information for the public being kept from us through both those ministers obfuscating at every opportunity .

    If it wasn't just a money thing for Yates one could think it was revenge for his premature demise from FG ...stick it to Harris every chance he gets by helping FF become even more sneaky if that is possible .



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What exactly are people getting worked up about?
    All political parties (or at least the big ones) will make use of PR firms to advise and coach. It's a massive business and the very fact that people don't know that gombeen TDs have been coached shows that it works. Would you rather watch a TD scramble and fumble to answer a few basic questions about a topic or would you rather get a clear answer where every word doesn't need to be scrutinised (because without help, most TDs won't be able to discuss a topic without creating a media storm?

    Yeates is no different to any of them. They presumably have a NDA so cannot say anything, nor is he obliged to (unless he was also involved in punditry and didn't declare his vested interest). But the pearl clutching in some of the previous posts is over-the-top!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭creedp


    would be delighted if they were being coached to tell the truth rather than polished spin to keep the plebs restful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Darragh O'Brien told blatant lies about housing completions before last year's elections. He knew his numbers were wrong because the CSO warned him he was off by 25% (40k v 30k actual). It was done to secure votes. Then he went into hiding.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes . And James Browne is notable in how little he says .

    That Housing report has been ' coming out soon' for two months now .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    You were all over Yates and FG for the alleged smear, turns out, like every other anti FGer you were miles off the mark. She answerved the questions as you said, but it was not a smear to tell the truth of the situation and let voters make up their minds on it. She handled it well in fairness and it wouldnt be something I'd have pulled her on, no more than Yates doing his and still be able to give objective punditry. Should all journalists have to declare their voting intentions so that we can see how their views might be skewed by that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Very simple question - did you agree with the Attack Video that FG produced on Sunday before the election? It tried to discredit her barrister work. It was widely criticised as an attempted smear and absolutely turned voters away from FG. Did you agree with it?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    No, but i did think they had the right to question it and her on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The attack video came first. It was an attempted smear. Connolly answered all the questions on her barrister work from Day 1. The Prime Time debate confirmed that and they asked Humphreys why she was making stuff up. She couldn't go into the details of her clients. If you cannot see that as an attempted smear and a new low in Irish politics then I cannot help you. McEntee made a show of herself by coming onto a radio show to have a free smear attempt.

    Are you watching the documentary on the Tracker Mortgages? Connolly was absolutely correct to say what she said about the banks in 2017.

    Paul Hosford: Fine Gael's US-style attack video may be a new departure in Irish politics

    "Catherine Connolly's remarks about banks came during the tracker mortgage scandal in 2017, and were echoed across the political spectrum"

    The party is, in the final days of the campaign, attempting to thread a needle of not alienating the legal classes by criticising barristers for taking on work, but trying to peg back a polling gap between Ms Connolly and Ms Humphreys by hoping that something, anything, will stick to the independent TD, in this case a charge of hypocrisy.

    Fianna Fáil minister stands up for lawyers amid criticism of Catherine Connolly

    Maybe ask yourself who actually caused the housing crisis.

    =======

    We all knew Connolly was going to win but the attack video smear guaranteed the massive margin.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I'm not arguing that FGs campaign wasn't a disaster, it was, Humphreys was a disaster herself and looked and sounded like a tired politician with no vision. I was surprised by her lack of charisma. Looking back, she should have stayed retired. She was a,poor candidate, Gavin was very poor even without the rent issue.

    FF and FG both ran very very poor campaigns, they need shaking up and leadership changes big time.

    From day 1 Connolly ate them both up in the charisma and pr dept, she sounded the most sincere and believable, you'll get no argument from me on that. I still wouldnt have voted for her under any circumstances because I totally disagree with her policies on nearly every subject, both foreign and national.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I respect that but it doesn't take away from the fact that Fine Gael created a smear campaign against Connolly and thankfully it didn't work.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    What was the smear? What wasn't the truth?

    Questions about factual things aren't a smear!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    A non-disclosure agreement for a political party who would have to declare its expenses to SIPO? That makes zero sense.

    And by the way, to remind everyone again, it's not that Ivan was doing media training for a political party - it's the fact he was doing this, told nobody about it and masquaraded as a neutral commentator with no skin in the game (as he often said himself).

    It now transpires he was doing debate pre-debate/interview prep with Micheal Martin himself during the last General Election, while doing a podcast series on Newstalk and Path To Power as well.

    That's an awful, awful look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The fallout from this election continues:

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ivan-yates-gave-media-coaching-to-taoiseach-and-five-fianna-fail-ministers/a468954385.html

    Now, Yates is supposed to have coached 5 FF ministeres and Martin himself.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You're missing the key point here:

    Ivan Yates gave media coaching to Taoiseach Micheál Martin in the run-up to the last General Election

    If he coached MM during the election period, while also on Newstalk/RTÉ pretending to be a neutral commentator, this could be a bigger problem for the broadcasters than we thought.

    Think it's safe to say we won't hear Ivan on the airwaves again. He might launch his own podcast or whatever but he sounds like he needs someone to do the legwork for him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭corkie


    @jmcc Yates is supposed to have cached 5 FF ministeres and Martin himself.

    So did he store them in his browser? Time to correct it to coached?

    https://archive.ph/veBJe ~ Paywall removed!

    Explains the similar hand gestures MM and Gavin used.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Didn't mention it. This may cause problems for all commentators who provide services to politicians and parties. There may be some panelistas who might not be on panels in the future.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The hazards of multitasking and trying to map the Internet by IP and country. :) It was the cookies that got them.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The hand gestures are interesting. Using the thumb rather than the index figure to emphasise a point dates back to Bill Clinton who used it very effectively. There was something false about the way that Gavin was using those gestures. He is not a good media performer because he hasn't had much experience. Connolly was good because she worked as a barrister and was in an adversarial system.

    If you watch Martin's body language on a TV interview where he is under pressure, the first move is often the "fake boobs" move of palms upward. That's a "please believe me" gesture. Then, when he gets under pressure and can barely control his anger, he starts clawing. It is a very strong tell. His media coaches have probably been trying to stop him doing it for years. If you watch some of his interviews on RTE they actually try to keep his hands out of the shot.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,089 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I also don't see the fuss here. Consultancy on stuff like what Yates was engaged on, which appears to be media relations, is normal in politics everywhere.

    Seems like a lot of manufactured grief over something very trivial within FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Who benefits? Who does it weaken? Who does it strenghten? Above all, remeber that it is the Indo and they have done well in this election and managed to get a scoop on Gavin that potentially changed the outcome of the election. It looks like Martin is in their sights now and there is that review that is due to be published.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭corkie


    Also frontpage news on the Irish Examiner tuesday!

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    Enough of a fuss for our media regulator! Coimisiún na Meán said it will be contacting both Newstalk and RTÉ “to obtain further information about this matter”.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    So it's a media scandal, if it is a scandal, not a political one at all. Yet the "smear" artists try to turn it into FF/FG fault.

    Every pp uses pr companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The FG director of elections Martin Hayden was very elusive on Morning Ireland in relation to whether FF should have let FG know that Yates was working for them. There will be tension at the cabinet later. It seems Niall Collins (FF) said earlier that FG are always trying to undermine Michael Martin so he isn't bothered what FG think. This story will run and run until after inauguration.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭PixelCrafter


    I think in general FG's strategy needs to get itself out of the US-style or UK style negative campaign approach. The Irish public does not respond well to that, and particularly not around an election like this.

    What I think people wanted to see was a presentation of the ambition, the positivity and the hope for what the office can do - not a whole load of sniping and snarking about public policy issues that aren't even in the scope of the presidency.

    It's a drastically different type of election to a run for the Dáil and I think TDs and ex TDs don't quite get that sometimes and there's always a tendency by the commentary and the online noise to misinterpret the whole thing as a US-style election, which it absolutely isn't as the role is totally different.

    In my view of it anyway, a successful candidate needs to be able to come in with a big vision for the presidency, present that in a strong way, completely ignore the waffle on the edges and basically start behaving presidentially from the outset or at least from the debates onwards. You saw that with both Robinson and McAleese very early on years ago - they were just immediately identifiable as presidential - in an irish context of what that means.

    I really find FG's strategies are all over the place though, not just in this election, but generally - they're probably just in too long and stale, but as the saying goes : you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar - and right now FG's strategies are VERY heavy on the vinegar.

    Meanwhile, Fianna Fáil's candidate selection just tried the parachuting in a sports candidate - not sure how that was ever supposed to work tbh.



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