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Luas Finglas

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭Daith


    You might be expecting too much from one Luas stop in Finglas South



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hasn't done much for some of the Saggart branch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I could see people buying houses there as investments and renting them out rather than settling there and raising kids.

    Foreigners would have no problem renting there as they'd have no idea of Finglas's reputation and it would be just 20 minutes from town with good public transport.

    So quite quickly it could change demographically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Crumlin had a tougher edge but it was never as bad as Finglas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭Daith


    Ultimately this should be good for Finglas and Charlestown.

    I've seen some commentary that this will "unlock" housing, but Finglas is built up as it is and with the changes to Jamestown Business Centre to Housing, and Broombridge Industrial Estate to housing, it'll be a busy line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    If both those industrial estates develop, then the population will explode.

    I presume that's the primary reason of this Luas line, to entice developers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭spillit67


    I know a few people from leafy south Dublin who have bought up around in anticipation of the Luas.

    Most gentrification impacts of Luas were delayed by the GFC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭MayoSalmon


    Crumlin was always gentrified compared to West Finglas...lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Cabra, Phibsborough, Crumlin and Drimnagh have all gentrified a bit because of the Luas.

    Perhaps also the East and North sides of Tallaght.

    It'll be interesting to see what Finglas will be like in 10 years. The East part is already fine.

    The South part might gentrify next as it's right by the Luas and Park.

    The Glasnevin industrial estate also will be redeveloped over time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭gjim


    It’s about 60% according to the business case document. I can’t find a hard reference for the 600m number - it looks like all the reporters just copied the number from each other. It looks like they rounded the P60 number from the business case doc up to the nearest 100m. The numbers include contingency for cost overruns so don’t represent estimated construction cost.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭OisinCooke


    I agree here, I suspect it’s another case of Irish Times style journalism when it comes to rounding it to the nearest clickbait number. But I don’t think this is necessarily bad. If the number that the papers are rounding up from was already higher than necessary for overruns and delays, and with a time expectancy of 2031 for opening, the likely worst thing the project will do, is come in on time and at budget, and it likely could be a case of being ahead of time and under budget, which will only help the public’s opinions on these Luas projects. So overall, while it looks bad now, the project is approved and will get built, so a high cost and time estimate doesn’t actually matter, and could actually work in its favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The more exciting part of the project from my POV is the new walking and cycling facilities. DCC's long war on the city and it's people, especially the working class areas, has seen all the greenspace and easier pedestrian routes fenced off or made inaccessible for bikes or those with reduced mobility. The design seems to show a real opening up of a lot of the mobility barriers. We just have to remain vigilant as DCC could well come in after TII and try to fence us out of our public greenspaces again. They'd put gates across the actual luas tracks if they thought they could get away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I think it's kids on scramblers is the problem unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    This is the same reason given for the awful gates along the grand canal (and other places I'm sure) antisocial/disabling gate designs that are 'intended' to stop scramblers, while guaranteeing the facilities cannot be used by: anyone using a wheelchair, cargo bike users, bike packers, and creating really awful pinch points for antisocial behaviour, mugging, assault.

    Meanwhile the youths with scramblers can lift them handily over/around any gate installed, making them pointless for their intended purpose.

    I would hope with new facilities like along the new line they will have to adhere to the newer existing guidance on fencing/gates

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,712 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I think they really need to consider the area when forming these plans. Parts of Finglas have serious issues. You can ask for nice things but reality can't be ignored either for safety reasons. You can't do everywhere in Dublin what you might get away with on parts of the green line.

    That's not to say you don't try to bring up the area as a byproduct of infrastructure but no miracle is going to be done here just by a tram line though it may help to start some developments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    No the attitude of DCC to the public realm is the problem. Scramblers remain illegal and the gates actually don't stop them, you can get one through the gates as easy as you can a bicycle. Can't get a wheelchair through though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Unfortunately, the anti human kissing gates seem to be an idealogical crusade by DCC they've installed a new one only this year in tolka valley park, despite what design guidance says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    You are Correct reality cannot be ignored and the reality is that the fencing and gates that have been forced on the community are 0% effective at tackling illegal vehicle use and are 100% effective in excluding the mobility impaired and discounting use of active travel and public transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,122 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    And not only that but they use these gates as a means to evade arrest when the cops are chasing them. They know the Guards can't lift their cars or bikes over like a couple of teenagers can with a small scrambler. It would work against them if these barriers were wide enough for the Guards to chase them through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The gardaí are not allowed to chase them incase they fall off, it'll be the fault of the gardaí.



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