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Venezuela

  • 31-10-2025 08:42PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭


    So. What do we think?

    Is America gearing up for an invasion?

    Nearly 20% of the US navy is anchored off the coast including some seriously impressive firepower from naval assets. Troop buildups on 'exercise' in neighbouring region.

    Trump claims it's all about stopping the drug cartels.

    Last thing the planet needs is yet another war.

    So much for the peace prize if the rumours are true!

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think regime change may be coming. The Maduro regime is brutal and Maduro has been indicted over alleged involvement in the narcotics trade. Millions have fled Venezuela under Maduro's regime.

    The regime has helped Putin avoid sanctions. It was reported that during the last rigged election, Russian Wagner mercenaries were in Venezuela.

    I personally don't support war to acheive regime change though.

    I find Trump's threats to Colombia less convincing though and I suspect its simply because it has a Socialist government (a rare thing in Colombian politics).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Worlds largest oil reserves baby

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,312 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Venezuela has been through enough. USA already murdering people in boats. Top general resigned over this recently.

    Scum of the earth carrying on like this, but these are the bastards that fund Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Yeah i think its definitely on the cards. I say it will be short and quick. Trump will probably come out and say this is the way you do a war and regime change knowing him. I say the CIA are well in play and will hit the high level leadership hard. You don't move all that air power just to hit a few drug boats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The interesting question will be how this will be framed.

    Is it going to be like Iraq? Like the baddie had it coming? Quite probably. I mean they got their peace nobel price winner moved into place already.

    Or is it going to be pinned on Trump? Like a democrats president would never do this but ah sure what can you do?

    Or a bit of both? What is it going to be?

    Its certainly not going to be the international law defying unprovoked brutal attack where the 'free' world has to step in for support and arms deliveries and heavy sanctions against the attacker.

    I dare the say the hypocrisy levels will go right through the Richter scale.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    It’s unlikely there would be Marines on the ground — at most Navy SEALs — with most fighters coming from Venezuelan exiles. Many Venezuelans in the U.S. strongly oppose the Maduro regime, and their influential support for intervention or regime change is significant; that could factor into decision-making ahead of next year’s midterms. The regime is fragile and probably won’t require much to topple, but the bigger risk is what follows. Venezuela is already a very dangerous country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    There literally trying to make put that most of the drugs etc. come from Venezuela when its not the case. Mexico etc. would be multiple of times worse but America will spin it thats not the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,295 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Trump claims it's all about stopping the drug cartels.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Washington Post is reporting Maduro has asked Putin for military aid.

    I suspect there may be an element of the US removing Putin's allies while Putin is occupied in Ukraine. Assad is gone, Iran is weakened (but maybe so is Israel).

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I have no conceptual problem with toppling the Maduro regime. However, as with everything he touches, it is clear that Trump's motives are not altruistic and he will likely just make things worse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Iraq has a sectarian divide, where Sunni terrorists and Iranian-backed Shia proxies bomb each others' mosques. Venezuela won't end up like that. If there's a civil war in Venezuela, it with end when one side defeats the other, much our own in the 1920s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    That may be so, but thats completely beside my point.

    It will still be an illegal attack backed by nothing, no international law, no UN resolution, just a vague accusation and the power of the 'big stick'.

    I am wondering how we (the West) will find ways to not condemn this without further hollowing out our claim of having a so-called values and laws/rules based system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I am not sure there is a few thousand marines off the coast. Could easily have them on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,901 ✭✭✭threeball


    Just like Iraq…Mission Accomplished. Except it wasn't and still wasn't 20years later. Make no mistake. The US cannot afford a war. It'll tank the economy which is faltering already and finding the resources to supply the war will mean opening up wars on other fronts. I can't see many countries being too helpful if they push this through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    They might use the carrier to strike narco labs but they don’t want to land troops. They’re hoping someone will take Maduro out for them but that wouldn’t stop the cartel problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Since the US has doubled down on fossil fuels, it’s probably another war for oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,070 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    A Russian Il-76 transport aircraft connected to Wagner-linked company Aviacon Zitotrans has landed in Venezuela, according to Defense News. The company is already under sanctions from the U.S., Canada, and Ukraine for delivering military equipment to Wagner operations abroad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I dont think this would be the slam dunk America thinks it would be.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,533 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Examine the Defense News pic closely and you can see it’s obviously taken at an air show in China, look at the sign, the barriers and aircraft enthusiasts photographing something not in the pic. Quite amateurish from DN in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Micheal palin has a program on the telly tonight about visiting Venezuela. Saw it last week Gorgeous country with gorgeous women.

    But I think it all goes pear shaped tonight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭thomil


    I have my doubts about that. The standard air group of a Wasp-class helicopter carrier encompasses only 6 fighters, either Harriers or F-35s, with the rest of the air group made up of helicopters and Ospreys to land troops and provide close air support for the landing. It's also worth pointing out that USS Iwo Jima is assigned to an MEU, a Marine Expeditionary Unit, a force designed purely around landing Marines. At least one other landing ship of the Iwo Jima's MEU, the USS San Antonio, is operating with the helicopter carrier, whilst another landing ship is currently in port in Mayport, Florida, according to USNI News.

    I doubt we're going to see any major move on Venezuela until the USS Gerald Ford and her carrier strike group arrive in the area. According to the USNI's fleet tracker, the Ford CSG left the Mediterranean last week on her way to join US Navy forces in the Caribbean:

    https://news.usni.org/category/fleet-tracker

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,268 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What station?

    Edut: Never mind. A day late lol.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The load outs can be changed and they came from the US, they also have cruise missiles, F/A18’s and F-35B stealth aircraft. A landing would be far too messy and difficult to hold. Though it would be possible to them to land and move directly to strategic objectives with a plan to hit hard and leave.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,634 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    The American military have spent the last 2 months restoring a cold war era airbase called Roosevelt Roads on the eastern tip of Puerto Rico.

    It was decommissioned in 2004 but engineers have recently restored its runways and facilities. Now F35s, transports and bombers are stationed there, as well as 20,000 marines doing exercises and drills in the surrounding jungle. There is also a no fly zone around the area.

    It is 500 miles north of Venezuela.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,068 ✭✭✭thomil


    Agree with you regarding a full-scale landing. That's highly unlikely and the risks stand in no relation to the possible rewards. Having said that, neither the current president nor the current SecDef are rational actors, so I don't believe we should completely rule out the possibility.

    Regarding the air group, I do agree that this can be adjusted as required. Having said that, even when fully configured as a "sea control ship", aka a light carrier, we're looking at an air group of 20 VSTOL fighter aircraft. Neither the Iwo Jima nor their other Wasp-class sister ships can operate F/A-18s, since these require catapults for launch and arrestor cables for recovery, neither of which are present on the Wasp class. This would be smaller than the number of operational fighters in the Venezuelan Air Force, although there is of course a massive gap in capability if F-35Cs are deployed aboard.

    It is worth pointing out though that just because a light carrier loadout is possible, that doesn't mean that it's optimised for it, The Wasp class are still primarily designed as a delivery system for Marines.

    I consider the reactivation of Roosevelt Roads to be aimed more at Cuba than at Venezuela. It allows for that island to be isolated with relative ease. While I agree that it can be used for strikes against Venezuela, it requires a lot longer of an approach than launching from a carrier that's only 100 miles or so off shore, and that longer approach will likely mean mid-air refuelling either on the way in or on the way back. If we see anything, my money is on cruise missile strikes from ships like USS Gravely, followed by air strikes from aircraft carriers, with possible long-range strikes by B-1s and B-2s.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,070 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    What would they want to hit in Cuba? The country is having serious infrastructure issues with frequent rolling blackouts and no resources that the US is looking to get on the open market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭sprucemoose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,322 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It will be criticised and condemned. I'm no fan of Maduro - but if Trump decides to randomly go into Venezuela then it's universally a bad thing. Bush's jaunt into Iraq in 2003 was likewise roundly criticised around the world with a majority of countries (including traditional allies of the US) opposed to it.

    It has all the hallmarks of an extreme populist posturing for distraction (like Canada, like Greenland) - but actually going ahead with some sort of regime change there would be bizarre, even for Trump. A lot of his base are isolationist.

    Then again he is pretty unhinged, the whole thing is strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    A sign of an imminent invasion of Venezuela by the US to install a political dictatorship that they approve of?

    https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-airlines-faa-canceled-maduro-cf4d806bb870f388013af93fc5aada47



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Could he getting spicy soon alright.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



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