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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Honestly it was a superb election for SF. By all accounts their grass roots really got behind Connolly and helped get the vote out. Mary Lou was looking very smug on election day. It helped that FG and FF did absolutely everything wrong and looked very amateur. FFG looked utterly inept (quelle surprise). SF also get to keep their big hitters in the Dail and in NI. Some would feel they got lucky but they also knew they backed a winner.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You are both right.

    • SF's backing boosted CC into an unassailable lead
    • SF spent the summer looking for an internal candidate before settling on the only acceptable option (i.e. Mary Lou wouldn't run and the Eirigí story hadn't broken)

    It will be all smiles at the inauguration but the Shinners may wonder what they have gained. They recovered support they lost over the summer (now back at 23%) and, most satisfying, FF/FG are at all all-time low, a combined 35%🤯. But SF already knew what the exit poll shows - a "united Left" is a pipe dream.

    Of course, a united Ireland is their raison d'être and CC could be the best thing to happen to SF in a long while if she started pushing North/South connections and preparations for a referendum on unity. What a change that would be from Michael D. who was too busy working on world peace!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The grassroots always get behind the dichtomy, no surprise there in fairness. They couldn't get anyone else!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    "Creepy men" - what a horse **** comment

    Steen was the most high profile wannabe candidate that got closest to a nomination. So of course her name was gonna feature more prominently from those who spoiled, many of whom did due to the parties blocking other candidates. Had say someone like Ganley been 2 signatures away I've no doubt his name would have cropped up from these same "creepy men"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I'm not sure if there is a line in the form of a traditional Left/Right axis. A lot of people would have voted for Connolly on the basis that she was presidential and could do the job. Her previous statements would have been a secondary issue though given that her competition was Humphreys, the fact that Connolly had more of a clue about the legal issues of the presidency would have swayed voters. Then take the "progressive" stances from FFG. Those were at odds with the traditional Left/Right model too and they looked like an attempt to get votes from younger demographics.

    The 2.5 party model with FF and FG as the big two parties collapsed in 2013. It then moved into a Big Three party model and the limitation of the Big Three party model is that no two of the Big Three could form a government without having to rely on smaller parties or independent votes. I managed to call the spread on the 2016 GE between the largest and smallest of the Big Three. The discontent from the 2018 presidential election fed into the 2020 GE. The 2020 GE was an abnormal GE because of the Green hype and apolitical younger voters voting for the first time. What was really interesting was that SF held its gains in the 2024 GE and the 2024 GE became a precursor to what happened in the 2025 presidential election.

    FFG simply hadn't the numbers to form a government after the 2024 GE and had to rely on a grubby deal with Lowry. SF had held its 2020 gains. More importantly, the SocDems and Labour gained seats. Of the two, the SocDems gains were the most significant because a lot of younger voters voted for the SocDems. In this presidential election, the younger voters made a significant difference in both the Connolly vote and also in the Spoil The Vote campaign. The SocDems earned its major party status by nominating Connolly (along with PBP). The battle in this election was fought on Social Media and the legacy media and its wibbling "commentators" were largely ignored. The legacy media commentators are fishing in an ever decreasing puddle and the age profiles would be broadly similar to the older support demographics of FF, FG and Labour. This plays into the generational shift idea. Connolly appealed more to the younger voting demographics and those demographics use Social Media. But Connolly's campaign was not that simple. She appeared on podcasts and that bypassed the traditional TV and radio outlets and got to voters, many of them who may well have been in older demographics via these podcast appearances. Humphreys did not. It was a full spectrum attack that neutralised the biased commentariat in the legacy media.

    The generational shift also appeared in how Connolly's supporters reacted to the smears from FFG and its supporters. The smears in the legacy media were discussed on Social Media and there were immediate reactions. The legacy media was the subject of the discussions but not part of the discussions. Basically, it was one of the Trump election dynamics all over again.

    Trump bypassed the legacy media using Social Media. He talks in soundbites and people think that they have a connection to him because they see his tweets. Even if they don't agree with them, they react. It was a big difference between Trump and the curated Social Media accounts of other politicians like Biden or HRC.

    The Connolly campaign successfully bypassed the legacy media in a similar way. Those keepie-uppie videos were campaign gold. The abject moronicism of FG's negative campaign was almost unbelievable. The big difference between an Irish presidential election and a US one is that the Irish presidential election is more about electing a conscience than an administration. The FG campaign team simply didn't understand that and targeted the wrong demographics in the wrong way. If that kind of incompetent targeting of younger demographics is applied to the GE, it could cost FFG a lot of votes from the younger demographics.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    SF has, since 2018, been moving into the centre of the political spectrum to take up the space abandoned by FF as it sought to become more Right wing like FG. For SF, Connolly as president is the best possible outcome because of the strategic implications of a combined Left. If there are talks about a "vote Left, transfer Left" voting pact, FFG on its current 35% is FFGed. Having MLMcD run would have been a mistake for SF especially if she won. That would have taken one of SF's effective Dail operators out of the political scene. On SF's move to the centre/centre Left, its 2018 candidate Ni Riada could easily have been a Labour (when it was a major party) candidate. It was too early in SF's shift and she got a Labour level of votes.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭pureza


    Laughable analysis yet again implying 62% of the Irish electorate have become left wing and ignoring the car crash nature of the government parties candidate choice’s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Presidential elections are very different from elections to the Dail. Most people know the difference and vote differently as they know they are voting for different things. I know some people who voted for Connolly who would never in a million years vote for her if they had the option of voting her or any of the parties that supported her in the Dail election.

    Presidential elections are relatively rare so this is not obvious but you will see to a degree at local elections. Voting patterns don't line up and part of that is because people understand that councils perform a different function to the Dail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Presidential elections are different but they have extraordinary political effects far beyond the limits of the Office.

    Don't mind JMCC - like an Irish Times columnist, perfectly confident in completely flawed analysis. Especially wrong about MLMD - the Ard Comhairle desperately wanted her to run and make way for Pearse but she didn't want to do a Liadh. Of course, she'd have jumped at the chance if she thought she could win but even CC's victory hasn't convinced her that SF could win the Aras without Northern votes.

    It was a seismic Presidential election but it won't bring down any party leaders (unlike Alan Dukes in 1990) although the Taoiseach and Tánaiste are both are badly shaken (like Haughey in 1990 and John Bruton in 1997, not forgetting that Enda got off lightly in 2011 because Gay was not his choice). From looking dominant as recently as August, MM's days are now numbered and Simon is changing his spots to ward off any challenges.

    Mary Robinson's election in 1990 created the "Spring Tide" that changed Irish politics, for good or ill. Mary McAleese then helped Bertie to the best years any Taoiseach ever had (followed by the nightmare of 2008 -2011, which was not her fault) . Michael D.'s election in 2011 was a huge but short-lived boost to Labour. He distanced himself rapidly from the FG/Lab government and then repaid FF/FG for their support in 2018 by becoming the first President to openly criticise the Government and run a separate foreign policy.

    Now we have elected our first maverick President and her voters want her to criticise the Government regularly, especially on foreign policy. Will it translate into votes for the Left parties which supported her? Doubtful.

    CC mustered the Left-wing voters and crushed FG/FF but many voters stayed home or spoiled their votes. The media are dazzled by her 63% but that ignores the "spoiled" votes. She actually won 55% of all votes cast that day, a clear and indisputable victory but if the turnout had been at general election levels (60%), her FP vote share would have fallen well below 50%. Not the foundation for a Left majority, even assuming that those parties overcame their bitter rivalries.

    More realistically, will CC influence the Left to become anti-EU and anti-American? The Left used to be consistently anti-EU when it was just a common market and it has always been anti-NATO (while pretending this was nothing to do with American investment here). I think the Left (yes, even Labour) will become "Euro-critical" and won't back any future EU referendum, especially anything which strengthens EU Defence. This would be an opportunity for FF/FG to re-assert their pro-Europe heritage but FF will have to grasp the neutrality nettle.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,991 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who was 'blocked' from being on the ballot who had all the credentials to be President.

    Before anyone says Maria Steen, they need to look at her half-arsed effort to enter the campaign in the first place. Made no effort with the councils and then when there were a few Oireachtas signatures she turned her attention to that with only a couple of weeks to go.

    This is the highest office in the land. Ceremonial or not there is a high bar to get onto ballot and if you want to, then you need to show that you are serious about the office and not using it as some sort of vanity project.

    Maria Steen was not as serious about running for President as she lets on. Anybody who believes she was isn't paying any attention whatsoever in the real world.

    She and her handbag got their days in the sun, she got loads of radio interviews and multiple column inches to spout about how ultra conservative she is. That's all she wanted out of this and she got it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Your leading question may unwittingly point to a key truth which the media naturally ignores.

    The media consensus is that the main problem with this farrago of a Presidential election was the scarcity of candidates on the ballot paper. I say the main problem was the absence of suitable candidates for the job. None of the would-be candidates would have solved that problem and some were wildly unsuitable (McGregor, Flatley…). I would be well-satisfied if the ballot paper offered me a choice between just two highly-qualified, capable candidates with alternative visions of the Presidency.

    Obviously, Jim Gavin was not qualified and the Taoiseach cannot even explain why he was chosen (passing the buck to the Parliamentary Party just adds insult to the injury he inflicted on FF).

    It also became obvious during the campaign that HH was not qualified. She was typical of many job applicants these days - highly credentialed but lacking the essential capabilities and nonetheless promoted to successively higher positions far beyond their scope (the Peter Principle run wild). Somehow she spent 10 years at the Cabinet table with multiple high-profile portfolios but never demonstrated any capabilities other than a pleasant manner.

    CC is well able for her role as a maverick TD but her only experience of government is criticizing everything it does. Her personal attributes and lack of governmental experience make her unsuitable for a key constitutional role whose business is to assure the constitutional order by doing what the government legitimately tells her to do with the myriad powers and functions associated with her Office.

    Unfortunately, the Irish people wish the President's role was precisely the opposite i.e. to stymie the Government and criticise its every failing. I am not questioning CC's victory or the legitimacy of her Presidency but we have elected someone who is by her nature and outlook unsuited to that Office and, in the coming years, she will either disappoint her supporters or cause constitutional chaos e.g. if she has her way, the Triple Lock will become a Quadruple Lock to which she holds the key.

    Post edited by Caquas on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well how qualified do you have to be to fulfill the office of President?

    To me it requires basic intelligence and an understanding of the role. Both CC and HH had this and even JG could have with some help.

    The overwhelming majority picked Connolly so we'll see how she gets on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,433 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Councillors dont' care about credentials they just want to troll the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,433 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Ivan Yates, the ‘smear’ outcry and his Fianna Fáil work as Jim Gavin’s coach in presidential debates

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fionnan-sheahan-ivan-yates-the-smear-outcry-and-his-fianna-fail-work-as-jim-gavins-coach-in-presidential-debates/a1457994142.html

    Separate sources from within the campaign told the Irish Independent that Yates had been involved in debate preparation with Gavin, coaching the candidate on his high-profile appearances.

    Yates didnt say he was worked for one of the campaigns while covering it as a commentator.

    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Until now, Presidents were highly qualified with an outstanding CV, an impressive set of accomplishments and a national stature.

    Apparently now it's enough to be articulate (líofacht sa Gaeilge mar sárchumhacht😏) and to appear sympathetic to everyone except political opponents.

    Next time out, the Councillors will be left off the leash (because the major parties have learned the wrong lesson from this election) and we will get another Seán Gallagher i.e. a plausible outsider with a sheen of celebrity.

    Who knows what the Presidency will look like after seven years of CC? I hope she proves me (and most of her supporters) wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It could be 14 years 😉😙

    I can tell you one thing. FFG won't make a single change around the nomination process for the Presidency. That clamour will fall on deaf ears. FFG do not do reform. Look at the Public Sector Standards Bill 2018 for the perfect example (SIPO reforms, corruption reforms etc). It's still in review...RTE Investigates will do yet another program on council waste and corruption and it will become a topic for a week but turkeys don't vote for Xmas.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    At the rate of decline as seen in the opinion polls in this election, FFG may not be in government at the time of the next presidential election. There will also be at least one GE before then.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭almostover


    It could be 14 years, if, CC does a good job and wins another election. She hasn't even begun her presidency yet.

    Personally I think the nominations process worked fine. It wasn't the fault of the nominations process that Jim Gavin stiffed a former tenant for €3.3k or that FG picked a party stalwart who is a terrible public speaker. The left parties only nominated 1 candidate too, she just happened to be the best of a bad lot. Not a word being mentioned about the left TDs and councillors 'blocking' prospective candidates.

    It's all a moot point anyway, if Steen and Sheridan got enough support to run it wouldn't have changed the result one jot. CC still would have won. Maybe some of the spoilt votes would have voted for Steen and some of her transfers would have gone to HH. But it would have been nowhere near enough to make up the difference between her and CC. The fact of the matter is that all of the prospective candidates were a bit sh*t and the electorate overwhelmingly chose the least sh*t candidate. Democracy in action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,914 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Quite the revelations today that Ivan Yates was involved in giving media training to the Gavin campaign - and he’s been dropped from Path to Power for failing to disclose it.

    Given Gavin’s performance in his media appearances - I can see why Yates didn’t want to disclose it. Not a good advertisement for his training



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,433 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Matt Cooper axes Ivan Yates from successful Path to Power podcast over Gavin revelations

    https://www.businesspost.ie/news/exclusive-cooper-axes-yates-from-successful-path-to-power-podcast-over-gavin-revelations/

    He took the decision to axe Yates after revelations he was working with Fianna Fáil’s presidential candidate Jim Gavin – but did not disclose it to them.

    He also did another series of Calling It as Newstalk podcast with Sean Dafoe, what will their response be?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You really think the nominations process worked fine, giving us Jim Gavin and HH who opened the doors of the Áras to a far-left anti-EU, pro-Brexit, anti-American maverick TD who never served a day in charge of anything? (Mayor of Galway and Leas Ceann Comhairle are not executive roles.)

    I agree on your second point - CC's margin was so large that she would have won even if the wannabes got on the ballot, with the possible exception of Bob Geldof who really did come too late but may well try again in which case the issue will not be moot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Jaysus that's poor form from Yates. I didn't have any issue with the way he was speaking about the Humphreys campaign and how it should or should not behave. But that was on the basis that he was an outsider commentating on the election, not a participant in it.

    Correct decision from Cooper/Noel Kelly. Is there an obvious replacement they could use?

    As for newstalk, I'd say they're cross too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Careful now! SethBrundle will shut us down for wandering off topic after CyclingTourist told us to move on.

    But what a deliciously spicy topic this is! RTÉ super-agent Noel Kelly is named, a sure sign of more fun to come.

    However, his undeclared involvement with Fianna Fáil caused difficulties for the creators of the Path to Power podcast, Today FM broadcaster Matt Cooper and NK Productions, owned by agent Noel Kelly.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/11/01/ivan-yatess-role-on-path-to-power-podcast-to-end-following-presidental-campaign-revelations/

    Mod: one week timeout for trolling

    Post edited by Seth Brundle on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Philipps O'Brien, US analyst, criticises Connollys approach on Ukraine where she accuses West of war mongering. O'Brien points out that Russia and China are the 2nd and 3rd largest arms exporters. O'Brien says Ireland is correct not to join NATO while Trump is president, but says Europe is "the last bastion of democracy" and that Ukraine is a democracy defending itself from a dictatorship.

    Says that when he was in Galway, he was accused of being a "warmonger" for advocating military aid to Ukraine.

    I would say If you or I were attacked walking down the street, defending ourselves would not be warmongering. Thats what Ukraine is doing, in interstate terms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,438 ✭✭✭almostover


    The nominations process did work fine, the issue was with the quality of candidates it produced. Any of the other prospective candidates who wanted to run were far worse than those who got the support to do so. As for Bob Geldof, his ego wouldn't fit in the Pheonix Park, nevermind the Áras. He'd have lost to Connolly too anyway.

    What happened was that FF and FG both were going to back MMcG against CC in a straight government vs. opposition shootout and when her health stopped her from running they panicked and both chose a crap candidate each. CC getting elected is a result of some unusual circumstances and FF and FG making batsh*t decisions once their preferred candidate pulled out. I don't think we should throw the rulebook out over 1 weird result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭Caquas


    You are unwittingly close to a key question which is so often posed about the Presidency but never answered.

    Perhaps you are thinking of an adjacent question - will CC be the first President to exercise her absolute discretion gabh mo leithscéal - diúltaigh chomhairle taoisigh as a chomhairle féin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Really duplicitous stuff by Yates, he's a bombastic buffoon and he gets far too much exposure. Hopefully this damages him significnatly and we are exposed to him less and less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,863 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's a pity. I certainly enjoyed those podcasts. Yates had a hugely positive impact on Connolly's campaign. He pointed out what everyone knew was happening and then....FG released the infamous attack video 3 days later to prove it. Stupid stupid people in FG.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Did he point out that the 'United States' are the 'largest' arms exporter in the world and account for almost half of global arms exports - including about $18BN to Israel? Did he discuss the multiple leaders of the 'last bastion of Democracy' supporting genoicde in Gaza, endorsing mass starvation, displacement?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Negative campaigning normally works in politics. The idea that politics is chivalrous is nonsense. It has especially not been in presidential elections. 1990 and 2011 were especially dirty.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


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