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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    These are the report's recommendations.

    report

    71. Recalling her previous recommendations, the Special Rapporteur reminds all States of their legal obligation not to participate in or be complicit with Israeli violations, and to instead prevent and address serious breaches of international law, particularly as set out in the UN Charter and Genocide Convention.

    72. Given the enduring emergency unaddressed by current “peace” discussions and plans, the Special Rapporteur urges States to cause no further harm to the Palestinian people and to:

    (a) Exert pressure for a complete and permanent ceasefire and full withdrawal of Israeli troops;

    (b) Take immediate steps to end the siege in Gaza, including deploying naval and land convoys to ensure safe humanitarian access and mobile housing before winter;

    (c) Support the re-opening of Gaza’s international airport and port to facilitate aid delivery.

    73. Beyond the emergency, States must recognize Palestinian self-determination and justice as essential to lasting peace and security, and therefore:

    (a) Suspend all military, trade and diplomatic relations with Israel;

    (b) Investigate and prosecute all officials, corporates and individuals involved in or facilitating genocide, incitement, crimes against humanity and war crimes and other grave breaches of international humanitarian law;

    (c) Secure reparations, including full reconstruction and return;

    (d) Cooperate fully with the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice;

    (e) Reaffirm and strengthen support to UNRWA and the UN system as a whole;

    (f) Suspend Israel from the United Nations under Article 6 of the UN Charter;

    (g) Act under “Uniting for Peace”, in line with General Assembly resolution 377(V), to ensure that Israel dismantles its occupation.

    74. The Special Rapporteur also urges trade unions, lawyers, civil society and ordinary citizens to monitor States’ actions in response to these recommendations, and to continue to press institutions, governments and corporations for boycotts, divestments and sanctions, until the end of the Israeli illegal occupation and related crimes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    First of all, that is up to the journalists, it's their job. If they wanted risk free long lives with their families, they would not have become war correspondents or reporters. They are well aware of the risks and feel it is their duty to report facts during dangerous campaigns, just as many aid givers and humanitarians feel it is their duty to give out aid/ medical etc, at enormous risk to themselves.

    It is unprecedented in history for a country to ban journalists report on a war. It is not unprecedented to ban them from a genocide though.

    Also - your Hamas apologist claim is incorrect. This thread is full of Israeli warcrimes apologists, genocide excusers, liars, nonsense peddlers and slanderers, being countered by people arguing for humanitarian principles, international law, and using factual arguments and corroborated information to back their povs.

    I saw a couple of Hamas supporters about 400 pages ago, and they sounded exactly like you do- excusing and supporting warcrimes with uncorroborated nonsense. They got the same treatment you do.

    So if you happen to read posts like the ones you write, but Israel and Hamas are interchanged, you will have your coveted Hamas supporter.

    Until then, kindly cut out the pathetic smearing, it doesn't add to your arguments one iota.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Until then, kindly cut out the pathetic smearing, it doesn't add to your arguments one iota.

    What arguments?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    If either side, Hamas or Israel, targeted journalists, I'd call them out and condemn them. But journalists who go to war zones know the risk. It's their job. the same with aid agencies and humanitarian workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    You’re the useful idiot or shill though!

    You posted this piece of Hamas sponsored propaganda a while back.

    Either you didn’t fact check, and eagerly rushed to regurgitate a piece Hamas disinformation, the very definition of a ’Useful Idiot’, or, you were aware that it was bunkum and chose to post it anyway, effectively shilling for Hamas.

    https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-harvard-study-gaza-missing-palestinians-86b40dc1de388e860927495c00880d59



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Of course you wouldn’t surrender.

    You’re an avowed Hamas supporter.

    You believe it’s far more sensible for Hamas to hide out in tunnels, gloriously continuing ’La Resistance’, while the poor auld Palestinians, the group of people you claim to have such concern for, are killed topside instead, with their consolation prize being that they are fulfilling their glorious destiny of becoming martyrs to the Hamas cause.

    Anyway, they also have the choice of exile. There’s no one forcing them to stick around, or go to prison, but that doesn’t suit the narrative.

    Anything to justify the continued existence of Hamas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The tag claxon must have gone off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    This video sums up those clowns on the flotilla and the general consensus on here very succinctly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIwvO-DUQNQ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If you believe that a satirical video sums up the general consensus on here, then you certainly have not moved that credibility needle in a positive direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Lads the tag team is out in force, quit wasting your time on them. You shouldn't have to convince anyone that mass killing children is wrong. If you find you're having to, its a lost cause….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    When the ceasefire was announced, it was met with universal disapproval and outrage on here. NO WAY the Palestinians should be forced to accept it, yada, yada, yada.

    Immediately after it was accepted, the same crowd were on claiming the exact same deal as a massive defeat for Israel.

    BTW I see the more inventive of the online anti-semitics are now claiming that Israel is somehow responsible for the war in Sudan, so I guess that’ll be getting a bump on here soon from the ’I’m not anti-semitic, but here’s another BS news article portraying Israel in a bad light’ brigade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    The only thing that video sums up is that the Israeli ability to do satire should be added to their list of war-crimes…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,969 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Criticism of Israel/IDF is not criticism of all Jewish people, not sure how many times it needs to be said.

    If you really believe that you can lump all Jewish people in as one and are exactly the same, it is you who is the antisemitic one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Are you trying to disprove a poster by posting a link to something that disproves something they never said?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Does that woman ever mention Hamas, and their contribution to the conflict?

    Wait! Turns out she does have a bit to say about them alright!

    Unfortunately, it’s all positive.

    • In November 2022, Albanese told a Hamas conference: “You have a right to resist.”
    • On October 7th, 2023, as the Hamas massacre was still unfolding, Albanese minimized the atrocities by posting: “Today’s violence must be put in context.”

    An UN Ambassador shilling for a Jihadist terrorist organisation, egging them on, condoning Oct7th, and still has a job. Says it all really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Universal disapproval?

    Can you please show me the posts where I said that I was against it? And show me where I said it was a defeat for Israel. I do remember saying that no-one wins from it. It's been two years and tens of thousands of deaths. Hamas are in tatters. The gazan population are starving and Israel really hurt itself with the negative PR that their atrocities generated.

    And while your at it, show me a post here that says Israel is responsible for Sudan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I suggest you go back and read the thread in the immediate aftermath of the ceasefire announcement. An absolute cornucopia of outrage by people, who, if they actually gave a crap about the people in Gaza should have been delighted with an end to hostilities.

    I never said anybody posted about Israel being responsible for the war in Sudan on here. I said that it was the latest antisemitc online wheeze, and would no doubt end up on here sometime as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Disingenuous at best. Nobody was against stopping the indiscriminate bombing of a starving population. People voiced serious concerns that Israel could be trusted to uphold the ceasefire. Legitimate concerns as it turns out. But that wouldn’t suit your narrative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel uses elderly men as human shields after stripping them and then executes them after releasing them. The ICC will be busy for years.

    https://www.palestinechronicle.com/elderly-men-used-as-human-shields-by-israeli-forces-in-gaza-found-executed/

    Among the most egregious of these crimes are harrowing scenes showing Israeli soldiers using elderly and wounded Palestinian civilians as human shields. These civilians were stripped naked, forced into homes before the soldiers, and placed in front of military vehicles, the report stated.

    Detained in 2024

    One such incident is that of two elderly Palestinians, both in their 70s, who were detained from Beit Lahia in northern Gaza in 2024.

    The two have been identified in a photo shared by the Israel Genocide Tracker page on X as Nadi Abdel Latif Marouf and Ali Muhammad Marouf. In the image, they are seen stripped to their underwear, while one appears to have his hands tied behind his back, at the site of a destroyed building. They appear to be led into the ruined site by the soldiers.

    They were reportedly detained for several days under army guard before being released at the Al-Tawam roundabout. After allowing them to walk only a few meters, they were summarily executed by gunfire, the report stated.

    Ramy Abdu, chairman of the Geneva-based Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, said on X that “After being used as human shields, their relatives found them after three days and they had been executed.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    A video from two years ago that did not foresee the scale of the genocide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,487 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The "in context" comment from her was a fair one. 2023 was a violent year with hundreds of Palestinians killed by Israel prior to October. When the October 7th terrorist attacks happened, it wasn't exactly a huge shock to anyone, nothing like a 9/11.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    When the ceasefire was announced, it was met with universal disapproval and outrage on here

    In your alternative reality of course…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    It was absolutely a huge shock to everyone.

    It shocked the world in fact!

    As an era defining event it’s right up therewith 9/11, Pearl Harbour. A unique moment where the eyes of the world are all focused on one event.

    It shocked people in the middle east more than anyone because the belief was that with the progress of the Abraham accords there was slow, steady diplomatic progress taking place between Israel and the Arab nations.

    There’s only one kind of person claiming that Oct 7th was nothing to get yer knickers in a twist about.

    There was only one bunch of people watching those murders unfolding live and declaring. "Lads, Lads, Lads, context please, context."

    The fact that she’s still employed by the UN beggers belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, what do you do when you can no longer exterminate hundreds of Gazans every day and you're getting bored?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 868 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    You were one of them.

    I even pointed out that you would all pivot, and ye did.

    Everything, always, has to be framed in the context of Israel, and giving it a ’Black eye’.

    That’s why you had posters claiming that the ceasefire was a strategic victory for Hamas, despite the fact that they have to surrender, disarm and go into exile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,132 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Do you deny that (a) Israel is an occupying power and (b) the right of occupied people to resist their occupation (French resistance, Ukraine, etc) is enshrined in international law. There are limits and rules of course, but the right of resistance to occupation is correct. It is also appropriate to view any violence in the context of the ongoing conflict.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭Miniegg


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    "People keep calling out our dumb unsubstantiated bullsh*t, and our smears aren't stopping them.

    Rescue us Sheepy with your marginally more eloquent dumb unsubstantiated bullsh*t. Bring your slander attack, its our only hope"

    Post edited by Miniegg on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I most certainly was not opposed to the ceasefire at all. I welcomed it. I still welcome it.

    But as many discussed it at the time, the "plan" was actually an ultimatum given that it had not been "negotiated". That aside, many here were in favour of an end to the Israeli Genocide but equally were sceptical that, on the basis of their past behaviour, Israel would breach the ceasefire. And surprise surprise, that is what has happened.

    Seems your posting style hasn't changed at all - throw out the usual lies, childish videos and accusations hoping that something will stick.

    If you want to have any credibility at all, post a link to a post where I expressed disapproval and outrage when the ceasefire was announced.

    But I already know where this will end up.



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