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Irish firefighter found guilty of rape in Boston!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    I think there is a bit of a difference in that a lot of criminals family know full well what the criminal is doing and they happily live off the money ,in the case here his family had nothing to do with his crime .



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - a reminder that cases currently before the courts should not be discussed, some posts deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,950 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You have no idea why he tried to abscond ( as you put it ) , you are now twisting facts

    Ah. We do yeah, it's because he raped a young woman.

    This isn't hard to follow TBF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,950 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What I take issue with is the suggestion that his guilt was somehow obvious because he returned home early.

    He raped her and tried to flee.

    Again hardly a mystery this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,950 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Because his wife and 2 young daughters are victims of this cretin too.

    There is one thing being the offspring of a lad who stole a car or got into a pub fight, quite another having a father who is a predatory rapist.

    Although the wife is still standing by him, so maybe my sympathy for her is not as much as for the children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭JM2300


    You don't know 100% that he raped a woman. He may have, but based on the available evidence there is definitely doubt as to whether he did it.

    People are wrongfully convicted all the time. Juries are comprised of fallible human beings. I think he did it, but he might not have done it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Lecter8319


    Theres been alot said about the American judicial system in this thread but they still have a unaminous verdict requirement in a jury trial. Ireland and many other european countries are a majoity verdict now. I know if I was on trial for my life, which option I'd prefer.

    The fact it was a unaminous decision says alot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Fotish


    Your analysis is very simplistic.

    You have no idea why he tried to come home early, unless of course you are a mind reader. !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You seem pretty intent on defending a convicted rapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭JM2300


    Are you aware that sometimes people are wrongfully convicted?

    Believe it or not juries don't have mystical powers to transport themselves through time and space to experience events as they happened. They are fallible human beings.

    There are aspects of doubt about this case. Based on the evidence it's reasonable to believe he committed the offence. It's also reasonable to believe that he didn't commit the offence or may not have committed the offence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Are you aware that most rape cases don't even make it to trial? Let alone a conviction. I've seen absolutely no indication that this is a wrongful conviction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Fotish


    Not convicted in the trial !

    I don’t think the fact that he went to the airport is evidence of rape, you need a bit more than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,325 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Where did that statement of fact by you come out during the trial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Simi


    As has been pointed out numerous times, no one, guilty or innocent is going to just casually carry on with their holiday once they've been questioned by American police as a person of interest in a serious crime.

    "Oh well I'm glad I cleared up that whole rape business with the NYPD, renowned worldwide for their fairness in dealing with suspects. Now off to the parade!"

    I think he's guilty btw, but not because he booked an early flight home!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,569 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Wasn't "a bit more" provided throughout both trials?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,873 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I don't think the flight indicates much either tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭JM2300


    The fact remains that there is reasonable doubt over the case, nobody knows for sure what actually happened apart from those involved. That is independent of any other cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    It has more crime. Cities with murder rates north of 30 per 100000, compared to 1-2 for Dublin.

    Drug crime rates are equally nuts.

    USA has a huge underclass and a barely existent social safety net. This is a primary driver of their crime.

    So cities like San Francisco have effectively legalised drugs, legalised petty theft which has lower incarceration levels and turned the cities into absolute sh1tholes.

    You need to show data that suspects for sexual crimes have a higher conviction rate in USA than elsewhere. The fireman got two fair trials unless you have evidence they weren't fair?

    Comparison with North Korea and the like are idiotic

    EDIT NYT piece with some data on conviction rates for sexual crime differ from other crimes.

    https://archive.ph/s9ysP

    https://archive.ph/s9ysP

    Post edited by Large bottle small glass on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Not sure how you can say this reasonable doubt a 'fact' when a jury just decided he was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭JM2300


    There isn't any DNA evidence that he raped her. It's her word against his. Overall I think the evidence suggests he did do it, but there is reasonable doubt. He may not have done it. We know that false or incorrect accusations happen sometimes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,039 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Absolutely, he was found guilty, and he did try to abscond when he realised he was in trouble. But let’s be clear: his decision to leave early wasn’t what established his guilt. Anyone under suspicion in the US, innocent or guilty might take the same step. It was the second trial that convicted him, not his departure.

    And let me be very clear here: suggesting otherwise, or slyly implying that I condone rape, is exactly what you’re doing, and it’s wrong. You’re twisting my words and being disingenuous to the extreme. I’d appreciate it if you stopped with the sly digs, the talk of “strange rocks to die on,” or implying I’m some kind of conspiracy theorist. From my very first post I acknowledged he was found guilty. All I pointed out is that leaving early is not proof of guilt in itself, because it’s the kind of action anyone might take, innocent or guilty.

    Not sure if you’ve got a gripe from another thread or if you’re just carrying something over, but it’s time to let it go. I’ve been clear and unambiguous here.

    Drop it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Lecter8319


    absolutely, false accusations happen & I’d say more than people realise but he’s clearly lying & acting suspicious with a lot of his behaviour.

    If he didn’t do it (I think he did btw), he’s only himself to blame. Telling lie after lie & initially trying to do a leger. So for me, he’s either guilty or lying to save face in front of his wife or god knows why. When being accused of something like that, if you start telling lies, you lose all credibility & **** yourself.

    If they had some sort of sexual activity together that was consensual, he was better off coming clean about that instead of saying he never touched her or saw her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,950 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    But let’s be clear: his decision to leave early wasn’t what established his guilt.

    Of course it did, It was a key part of the prosecutions case. With all other evidence led to his conviction.

    He raped her and tried to flee. It's pretty simple.

    Absolutely no need to introduce implausible scenarios that have zero relevance.

    Not sure if you’ve got a gripe from another thread or if you’re just carrying something over, but it’s time to let it go. I’ve been clear and unambiguous here

    No. Never heard of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Go on ill be the one to say it. In a reverse situation, if this was a foreigner in Ireland that tried to escape everyone here would be baying for blood and wouldn't give his guilt a second thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Fotish


    '' He raped her and tried to flee. It's pretty simple.''

    If it is so simple as you seem to think, why did the first jury not convict ? they knew he had tried to go home early.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,950 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It was a hung jury. Only takes one to dissent. Which if that was the case. 23 jurors voted to convict.

    Maybe the one juror shared your views. Who knows.

    He booked a hotel bed for the night , she should have booked her own bed if she wanted to stay for the night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Without having heard the evidence, in particular that of the victim and the Accused, you can't really say whether he was guilty or not.

    A jury heard it all, along with how both carried themselves and found him guilty. They would have seen his police interviews to.

    A huge number of rape allegations essential amount to he said/she said. The outstanding majority are not even reported not to mind prosecuted.

    We can never have 100% certainty but as it stands its the rapists who are getting the hop of the ball as regards doubt. When a well charged jury are finding you guilty beyond a reasonable doubt it might be time to let this one go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I don't know 1000's mainly 10s of 1000s of mainly Kashmiri men got away with gang raping vulnerable children for a generation in UK and rather than offending anyone the UK authorities in most cases didn't even bother recording the ethnicity of the rapists.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/16/grooming-gangs-in-uk-thrived-in-culture-of-ignorance-casey-report-says

    When we had a high profile murder of a young woman here the media was awash with how violent men were i.e. native irish men. When it emerged he was not Irish the narrative changed completely and it was only quite recently his Roma origins were reported.

    How was the reporting of the wanabee gay serial killer Yousef Palani reported once it emerged? All chat about homophobic violence prior to his background being known. Was there any mainstream newspaper discussing the huge problem within muslim culture with regard to homophobia?

    Personally I'd just like to see rapists and murderers in jail irrespective of their background/race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    not sure what grooming gangs in england has to do with me saying everyone on boards would think he's 100% guilty if he was foreign, a man who tried to leg it, his innocence just wouldn't be up for discussion



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    They were showing this on a tv channel called courttv last week on iptv, I was following some of it there. The defense were pushing for the beyond reasonable doubt angle and some of the "experts" the tv channel were getting their own opinions from during the case were also saying the whole reasonable doubt thing. It came down to his word against hers (and the legal teams) as there was no dna matched to him and both stories had some anomalies (Some of which have already been mentioned here), not saying he didn’t do it btw before anyone suggests otherwise…



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