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Will AI take your job?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Temporarily, yeah, until the AI realises that humans are the massive threat to the future of the planet and therefore its own existence and eliminates us all… hope I get a few years on the bus pass before that

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭nearby_cheetah


    What on earth are you talking about? Employers do not have any power over employees. Employees are free to leave anytime, not one employee is being held against their will by an employer.

    If anything, it's employees that enjoy the power imbalance that makes it more more difficult for an employer to replace an employee than vice versa.

    If employers are bound only by employment law, why are they offering terms and conditions that exceed their obligations? Why are they offering health insurance, life assurance, illness protection, bonuses and so on when not required by employment law? It's just utter jealousy people who won't make themselves useful to employers who offer the terms they want, that they need to have unions to go crying to and lose hundreds of euro for the privilege.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Just curious, what kind of code is it, as in (roughly) what does it do? I have a suspicion that people tend to choose (maybe not deliberately) carefully curated examples in their initial experiments. In the video mentioned below, the interviewer generated a retirement plan for someone, but as the interviewee pointed out, there are many such systems (with source code) out there for AI to draw on.

    I watched the first half of that video you posted and it was very interesting. I think he could be right about the scaling issue and they are at a point of diminishing returns on investment. What he says about AI generated code is interesting too. It works very well if something similar has been done before and the source code is out there, but less so the more esoteric the requirements. He says it's probably one of the best applications for AI though, mainly because programmers are able to debug AI generated code, unlike say medical advice which users aren't qualified to critique. Though it suggests to me that people who don't understand coding using it, could be taking big risks with the quality of what they are producing.

    I'll probably watch the rest of it as he was going on to other interesting topics, like how it may be reducing the ability to think critically among younger generations who rely on it more.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Another great video. Yann LeCun, chief AI scientist with Meta. Basically that LLM is an off-ramp to AGI.

    On a side note, I asked co-pilot how many working days there was in July. It incorrectly said 22 'thinking' that the 7th was a bank holiday in Ireland. Chat got it right.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭Terrier2023


    AI will decimate the middle class jobs like the industrial revolution took the working class jobs. I hope all the actors get shafted first, for too long they were over paid and spent their time telling us how we should live & think. It will be way cheaper to make films without their DIVA antics I bet Hollywood is secretly delighted!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Maybe for coding AI is handy but for lots of us it's still hard to apply in our job efficiently as it doesn't have access to data in the right format , only access to biased piblic data from the internetz doesn't deal well with real time data and it makes up its own references and can make gigantic logical errors that you then need to parse through the stuff yourself to fix.

    I.have used it for data analysis but so far result wasn't good given the effort invilved in instructing it.

    I use it for quick checking bits of stuff but I still can't use it to make it a reliable report or presentation . Not yet anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah I'm still not convinced about using it for coding. It has replaced Google stack overflow for boilerplate scripting or other bs code that no one wants to spend time on anyway. The statistic that's flouted by managers will be volume of code written by ai. But any professional coder will tell you that the best coders write minimal high quality code, so lines of code could be a metric for how **** you are at coding rather than productivity. And then if you look at the day to day job of a senior dev, they honestly spend about 10% of their time writing code. There is so much non coding work required before you execute a few lines for production, the coding bit is the easy part. In the end it's just another tool, not even that important , in my opinion at least. Also you cannot maintain, support, develop a system where you have blind spots in understanding, so you can't really use ai as a crutch or you will completely screw yourself down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Another good interview with Ed Zitron. the tech bros are all in on AI as they have nothing else: the block chain and NFTS fizzled so we have to listen to AI being everything from our saviour to ushering in the world from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Cant wait until we don't have to be constantly fed AI slop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The replacing of stack overflow does concern me. Eg I have had copilot write plenty of bits of code for me. But there's been some clear points where it was very wrong or is far from the best or most modern solution. The other thing is half of it's info is mined from places like stack overflow. If that falls off a cliff then that's gonna impact the AI ironically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    It's going to be another expensive mistake but it's fine, it will just mean more job security for us! Lol. The more adoption takes place they more it will push systems toward mainstream languages and standard routines because they will have the largest training set. The input set will fall off a cliff because there will be no more novel code to learn from. So there will be less customization(management will love that) but also no innovation. The devs become more and more dependant , less resilient at problem solving, things start to break in unexpected ways, more ai applied, it becomes a complete black box, we fail to communicate clear requirements because we lose the ability to clearly define requirements for our problems. Then we start learning to code again....lol.

    My issue with AI for coding at least is that it will consign human ingenuity to a local maxima and that's with the pie in the sky so that people are imagining in the future, the current tools are often detrimental to productivity, leading to re writes and bloated code. I will definitely use it for documentation and unit testing though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I never saw content moderation as a long term career choice in fairness and considering tech companies used countries with very low wages and indeed legislation meant it was never going to be a mainstream career move in western society.

    Still though, sad to see jobs going anywhere at a time of such uncertainty in the world.

    I’m really starting to pay attention to the world of AI now and intend getting myself up to speed - I’ve used a number of apps for work and it certainly does help make life easier for some things- but I can see why graduates are starting to struggle to get jobs and I can see that where companies are already utilising technology and lean processes in their day to day work, they need less and less staff to fulfil roles.


    https://www.techcentral.ie/tiktok-replaces-human-moderators-with-ai/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,397 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/amazon-targets-many-30000-corporate-job-cuts-sources-say-2025-10-27/

    30k Amazon jobs to go, this despite Amazon stock near all time highs. They have cited AI as having the potential to reduce head count even further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,625 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    30k jobs to go, 40k jobs to be announced in 2026/2027 when they realise feck all is getting done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    One of the most profitable companies in the world and they have to shed staff?! Something is wrong there....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I actually believe it - I haven’t scratched the surface hardly of AI from a work perspective but I already see it as replacing a lot of roles - you’ll still need humans but a lot less of them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    "The figure represents a small percentage of Amazon's 1.55 million total employees, but nearly 10% of its roughly 350,000 corporate employees."

    1.5 million is the size of a small country! Northern Ireland has a workforce just over half that.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They didn't become the most profitable company by being nice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    There is a lot of “excess” in Irish owned corporate companies -but it’s changing - a lot less places to “hide” - one of the more common questions heard asked is “what does that person do?” 😀

    Never a good thing when people start asking that question about you- the corporate functions are the first to be hit in a recession so no surprise Amazon is shaving 10% of its workforce there-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Certainly will not take the job of this retired public servant, as long as the pension of €78,000 a year keeps coming in. We can easily live on my partners pension which is good too. Tech only makes life easier but is displacing some jobs. We have robots to clean the windows as well as the floors, for example. The window cleaners we used to employ have now been replaced with tech.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I wonder if AI will mind paying their taxes to keep you in the standard to which you have become accustomed. Oh wait, - AI doesnt pay taxes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    AI will easily replace jobs in private organisations. Where I work, outsourcing was the first to be dropped. Why offshore anymore when you can just get AI to do it? I cant see AI doing much damage in the public sector though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Agreed. Its a peculiarity of the public sector that the maximum number of people paid the maximum salary do the minimum amount of work.

    No way on earth they will allow their own replacement.

    I'd actually prefer to deal with AI in the Public Sector as it would work better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's because the public sector is unionised. The private sector isn't. People working in the private sector have no say when it comes to their working conditions and are just pawns to be used or discarded.

    The AI threat to people's jobs is real and it's going to become more and more serious in the coming decade or two as AI becomes more powerful. And the private sector, at all levels, is very interested in it primarily as a possible cost cutting measure, and that generally means axing staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    The conundrum as stated in an earlier post. If AI takes all the jobs, then where are all the people with no jobs going to get money to buy products and services companies that that have AI doing jobs are selling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    A private sector pension of €78,000 would need a fund of over €1.5 million It's highly unlikely that the poster paid anywhere near that amount of tax in his career, never mind notional pension contributions. It might even be more than he earned gross of tax 😀. It's going to take a lot more than AI to solve that problem.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Packrat


    But he's public sector. Paid for out of current account expenditure because in this banana Republic we don't even have a fund for them.. so it can never be underfunded or bust.

    So Johnnie tax donkey pays for his 78k a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Except that countries with unsustainable pension systems can go bust. Look at France and a lesser extent the UK. As the old saying goes it initially happens slowly, and then all of a sudden. Ireland is currently shielded by windfall tax revenues that everyone knows won't last forever. So, we're arguably at the stage before the "slowly" trajectory that France is currently on.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,851 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    By properly taxing these organisations on a global scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    There is still no answer to this but we will find out, the job losses are really starting to spread. I would love it if UBI was introduced but then who the hell will want to do the jobs that AI can't do, like nursing and rubbish collection? Why would anyone work in stressful, not particularly well paid jobs if they can get UBI instead?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The llms are absolute dross. They build a machine to tell people what they want to hear, of course management loves it. There's no novel or insightfully problem solving that I have seen.



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