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Will AI take your job?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    If you went into a Library and spent years reading every single book and were able to recite any fact back when asked….you would be called a genius

    So will AI negate the need for devout Muslims to learn off the Koran by heart. Now all those madrases in Afghanistan etc can use all the time saved to teach useful skills to their pupils



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Ireland has been driven out of the low cost labour market, those jobs have not been eliminated, they've gone abroad. Agriculture has become mostly mechanized and automated, you don't see the neighbours coming in twice a day to hand milk cows, one time there were a lot of computer components and systems assembled in Ireland, the screwdriver jobs have moved to lower cost countries (not just wages, combined transport and energy costs - e.g. Computer giant Dell moved assembly from Limerick to Poland). Even McDonalds have put up kiosks to take orders. Unions have mostly disappeared from low skilled occupations, their declining membership in that sector speaks volumes, if workers were getting value for money more would be paying union dues. These days unions follow the money and mostly represent professional services, they advantage those already advantaged.

    Unions have pushed for and gotten laws to mandate wage levels and working hours, businesses have responded where they can with more automation, moving abroad or closing. When they have try those mandates in countries with no social safety net they get absolute poverty in return. As an example in Bangladesh back in the early '90s, they passed laws against child labour in the sweatshops. ~50,000 children were kicked out of employment into worse conditions like prostitution or breaking stones, despite the well meaning intentions of the people who pushed for and got the laws, the children were helping support their families.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,920 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    OK, but living wage and reasonable working hours result from labour activism, not the generosity of entrepreneurs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We live in a country where religious indoctrination takes place daily in 95% of primary classrooms, and primary kids spend more time on religion than on science and PE combined. 10% of class time in primary is religion.

    So not as much in a position to point fingers as we think.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    And Dell employ more people here at far higher average wages than they did back when they had a big assembly plant here.

    We used to be a poor country where US firms found it cheap to employ low-skilled workers, we're not any more thankfully

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    If big labour want to claim that as positive, why won't they claim responsibility for negative consequences?, they don't dare discuss that. Nothing we do happens in a vacuum. The argument for advancement of AI is based on claims it improves worker productivity, the fear that currently employed humans will no longer be needed, activists are playing on that fear in their push for universal basic income.

    The simplistic view of productivity for argument sake is total output / worker hours. Where a worker using manual process can produce 5 widgets an hour that can be sold at a rate higher than it cost to make them + taxes. Ultimately whoever buys the widgets must be willing to pay that amount, that is market price. You can mandate the wages levels and working hours all you want, if the company can't produce and sell at market price, the entrepreneurs job is to figure out how to make that happen.

    If said worker operates a machine that produces 500 widgets an hour, such that it lowers the cost of production, more is produced, can be sold at market price earning more profits, enter greedy unions (its not just greedy capitalists), unions are paid to represent they members interests, they can argue each worker is more productive and deserves more pay, after lots of back and forth, they can claim success (and more union dues) because the product can be sold profitably at market price. Everyone is a winner. Their claims rest on calculations of worker productivity and market price.

    The function of living minimum wage rates is to allow union negotiators bypass wage settlements based on discussions of productivity and market price loosely described above. Ironically, the higher they push these mandated rates the more interesting AI becomes to entrepreneurs as a potential solution. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,920 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Yep, as I said above, the factors behind union penetration, relevance, activity are many and complex (structural, cyclical, political, cultural). The main point I am making is that improvements in wages, hours and working conditions do not come about without a fight. And if you want to improve your lot as a worker, whether you are making widgets or selling widgets or designing widgets, with or without the use of AI, join a union, or guild, or professional association. Capital ALWAYS organises against labour, so failing to reciprocate never works out well for workers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/are-you-being-replaced-by-ai-the-five-irish-jobs-most-at-risk/a1751585590.html

    An article in the independent today about AI replacing alot of graduate entry jobs in software and financial services. Its behind a pay wall so can't read full article



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    There was a very good discussion on Clare Byrne's program yesterday. A computer science professor (from UCD?) had some very interesting points from a societal perspective rather than the (potentially boring, and imo sometimes hyped) tech perspective. Two that he made were:

    • Companies currently reducing graduate hiring at the moment might be hiding other difficulties they are facing by attributing it to AI.
    • Staff gain experience by coming on board without experience and learning on the job. So, if all this menial junior level work is going to be done by AI, how is any business going to develop experienced staff in the future?

    Worth listening back to:

    https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22526824/

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Software companies always had a bias towards hiring experienced vs non experienced, they just now have a false reason they can trot out

    It’s hard to break into but after few years get daily hassle on LinkedIn etc

    Good software companies have programmes for graduates shepherding them along and investing in training, I myself regularly mentor and guide interns and associates along

    This is also where higher level institutions can come and help student by better interfacing with industry, and some to their credit do just that.

    Quite often these guys stay on the job instead of hoping away after few years, often at much lower salary than they can get (and HR love that)

    AI is a tool you still need a brain to guide it along, at end of day most of the jobs are not writing code but solving problems, and there’s no end to those

    IMHO articles like this will do great damage in medium to long term to the industry by spreading wrong message to any students, but hey whatever sells ads right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    <delete> I see there's a separate thread on it

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,781 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    • “Companies currently reducing graduate hiring at the moment might be hiding other difficulties they are facing by attributing it to AI.”

    There’s definitely a slow down out there relative to a few years ago- impending tariffs from US aren’t helping either. Companies are starting to organise from within and are growing their own talent as opposed to buying in expertise- they’re also reorganising how they’re set up and reducing silos and duplication within the organisation which worked fine up to now but are now too costly -retraining and what not also taking place.
    I don’t think there’s one answer- AI is definitely impacting - but- existing staff still have to learn to use these AI tools effectively.
    Graduate intake might still be happening - but promotion of those graduates may not be happening



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


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    Thought this was funny 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    Great video on a contranian view on AI.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    Never seen a horse driving a tractor, so does that mean the horse is now obsolete?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Well I had a couple of developers that I dont need anymore, I just ask AI to build the chunks of code, and I put them into the system. The code is better but I have to micromanage a bit more. As a small company though, I have saved a fortune. My guess about how it will work in Ireland is that small, agile companies will make big savings but large/public companies will resist its adoption for the sake of their employees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭plodder


    Well this is quite funny. This has the fingerprints of AI all over it.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0731/1526316-an-post-stamp/

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Unions have mostly disappeared from low skilled occupations, their declining membership in that sector speaks volumes, if workers were getting value for money more would be paying union dues.

    Unions have all but disappeared from the workplace not because of the lack of employee interest, but because of employer's actions to eliminate them.

    There was a time when most workplaces had employer unions in this country and in the UK, but they were successfully demonised by the employer class and those on the right of the political spectrum. This became especially prevalent within US companies setting up in Ireland because American companies have been seeking to minimise union activity in the workplace since the 1960's.

    Employer resistance to organised labour unions and their desire to break them was the major factor in their elimination from the employment landscape, not that workers saw no "value" in them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    My guess about how it will work in Ireland is that small, agile companies will make big savings but large/public companies will resist its adoption for the sake of their employees.

    TThose employees were all gung ho for technology solutions when it was allowing them work from home during covid, when covid was finished it was still technology that was their answer to refuse to return to their work place .

    Now that AI and technology is threatening their very jobs they will be like the luddites taking the sledge hammer to the spinning jennys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What did you mean by this line "The code is better but I have to micromanage a bit more."? Is the AI code better? I heard it was often buggy. Also are you micromanaging the AI? Confused.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Yes, I am finding the AI code better, less buggy, better laid out. The code just seems to be less rushed if you know what I mean. Re, the micromanaging, my approach has changed, I will now ask AI to write me a module to do X, but I have to be very specific in my requirements. Its more work on my side but the output seems to be better. And of course, its free.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    I use it to code too. Can be a blackbox and you need to understand what it is doing but has solved some complicated issues. LLM is perfect for coding as it works off synthetic data.

    There is/will be no need for junior programmers. Don't even need to outsource either.

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    And of course, its free.

    Yeah, because it rips off other people's work and copyright.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,215 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭nearby_cheetah


    Or maybe at a time when salaries have never been higher, employees realised they didn't need to be forking out hundreds of euro to unions and those who are not lazy are capable of training and up-skilling to get themselves into well paid roles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Spare the class warfare, the us versus them mentality. I know how unions work having personally run foul of them twice and nearly getting fired in one incident due to their attempts at strong arming management. Neither branch I worked is in business, both were closed in the late 90s/early 2000s, both involved in building products, could not make money during the early part of the boom. The union employees sabotaged operations by routinely breaking machinery. Employers in question learned their lesson, shutdown operations, opened elsewhere, hired workers from Poland and were one of the few suppliers to survive the bust intact. That in a nutshell is why many unions failed, they wanted to eliminate competition, monopolise labour, maintain outdated work practices, collect fees and coerce employers into paying them more for less. Then they act surprised when employers figured out how to bypass their tactics and get stuff done without them. Speaking to one of my union member friends recently, they look at the union newsletters and ask themselves what are they paying union dues for? There is nothing in the newsletter that represents the paying members interests, just lots of irrelevant campaigning (to them) on the politics of woke. Unions may want to pay more attention to their paying members actual interests.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Spare the class warfare, the us versus them mentality.

    I'm not reading beyond this bullshit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭mojesius


    Personally, I'm patiently waiting for AI to take my job. 15 years in a MNC, I want my payout so I can ride off into the sunset (albeit temporarily).

    In the meantime, I'm applying AI in most aspects of my work. Accurate prompting and having sense of what AI tools to use for what use case is important, but not difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,015 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If the requirements are complete and not ambiguous, the code will be better.

    The challenge is writing the requirements.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,273 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The power imbalance between employer and employee is still there, and always will be. We can counteract it to some extent with decent employment rights law - that is a concept several US employers based here are still trying and failing to grasp…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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