Northern Ireland 2125?

There was a precedent set by Wales, where it is reported that the establishment of a Welsh Language Commissioner has led to significant public expense and the imposition of language standards across the public sector even decreasing employment opportunities for non-Welsh speakers.

If we take a ridiculously exaggerated worst case scenario projection presented by someone vehemently opposed by anything Irish about the place, then the thing he opposed costs a ridiculous amount of money...I am SHOCKED. Yes, he gave a detailed breakdown that intentionally assumes no economies of scale, that training costs remain stagnant and that absolutely every possible cost that could conceivably be incurred is, it could hypothetically cost that amount in the same sense that I could win the lotto ten times in a row.

Did you know Orange Order parades could cost us up to 50 billion a year if we just make up scary numbers too?

Amazing statistical analysis as usual, buddy.

If my cost estimation on Orange Parades is off by 33%, the figure is still £37.5bn a year.

See, when the number you start off with is total b*llocks, the rest of the argument is nonsense. That's the f*cking point.

You absolutely build economies of scale comparing hiring ten individual contributors versus hiring ten teams of ten with one lead, two senior, three mid level and five juniors per team as an example. It's incredibly apparent you've never built a department up in your life.

Just as an example; you say that it cost the EU €10m to train translators when Irish became an EU language. Following your DUP logic, thats €200m over twenty years (note the unit of time chosen to exaggerate the expenditure rather than for any reasonable fiscal reasons).

But what did it actually cost this year? I suspect substantially less as fewer people need training in the following years and as the skill exists within the body, some training can be internalised. Taking initialisation costs and projecting them as stagnant annual recurring costs is just one of many problems with the DUP estimate you have presented.

My estimate is 50p and half a curly wurly a week. There, now we have two completely useless, biased estimates.

Sure if we average the two, we've almost halved your projected costs overnight.

Garbage in, garbage out is a pretty basic principle to apply here when it comes to basing your arguments on such an obviously flawed starting premise.

Genuine fiscal concerns, aye. Nobody is stopping anyone learning or speaking Irish. Fine hobby if you want a hobby.

The cost of the Welsh language in Wales is pproximately £53.6 million for the 2024-25 budget, so £20 million a year for the Irish language would only be the start of it I'd say. When things are funded by the gubberment, costs usually if not always increase.

Irish did not become a recognized official language of the EU until 2007, and it only attained full recognition in 2022. Now if over 200 people work translating EU documents from English to Irish what does that cost and surely nobody could say it is money well spent : otherwise how did the country survive years ago? Money should be spent building houses, then people can learn Irish in them if they want instead of sleeping on the streets.

So even though everyone is getting on fine without having to translate everything in to things that people will never read, you would prefer spend £200 million on the Irish language than build houses for homeless people in Ireland or take people off hospital trolleys in our Irish hospitals?

Sounds as if you are the one who is bigoted if you want everyone else to pay for your hobby? Thats if Irish is your hobby? I'd say extremely few people in Ireland learn Irish as a hobby. Or as was admitted before, is not republicans pushing Irish in N.I. more a political act to "get back at the Brits", push the agenda of "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish freedom" etc, rather than a love of the language? If people really loved the language, after 12 years of schooling in it, people would be using it on boards.ie

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

The EU was set up as an economic union. No surprise that since it lost its way by taking on hundreds of Irish language translators in the past decade for example, its share of global trade has been shrinking. The EU's share of global exports is dropping, hitting 13.7% in 2022 compared with 16.3% in 2016. The EU is in a poor state now, and getting worse. No wonder Catherine Connolly was for Brexit, but then again she is anti-EU anyway. In a speech in the Dáil shortly after the UK voted to leave the EU, CC said the Irish government "took an active part in the project of fear that sought to scare the British electorate into remaining" and that despite trying "to force a desired result, the electorate was not fooled".

Is Irish your hobby? Or as was admitted before, is not republicans pushing Irish in N.I. more a political act to "get back at the Brits", push the agenda of "every word of Irish is a bullet for Irish freedom" etc, rather than a love of the language?

As noted before, if people really loved the language, after 12 years of schooling in it, people would be using it on boards.ie

Beag a chuireann siamsaiocht ar an simpli.

Little amuses the simple.

I said " for example", when describing how the EEC, now EU, has lost its share of the global exports market compared to what it had a decade or two ago. The EEC was set up for a relatively small number of countries to economically co-operate together. That is why it was called the European Economic Community.

Decades later they end up wasting money left right and centre. To give but a small example, they NOW spend over 30 million a year employing hundreds of people to translate EEU legislation and documentation, stuff than will never be read, in to Irish.

No wonder Catherine Connolly was for Brexit, but then again she is anti-EU anyway.

Is she the first Brexiteer you support and admire?

I think the EU is great and has done a lot for Ireland and I always voted for the EU. Unlike some like CC.

Do you agree with CC when she praised the British for leaving the EU, and after the UK voted to leave the EU, CC said the Irish government "took an active part in the project of fear that sought to scare the British electorate into remaining" and that despite trying "to force a desired result, the electorate was not fooled"?

You just criticised the EU for doing something central to it- supporting minority languages and attributed that to it’s demise as a global trader.

Now you want to walk back from that and pivot to another bugbear.

Incorrigible, dis-ingenuous and self defeating arguments (whinges) is all you have.