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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭big-al


    VDF can’t have much complaints given how well Tom curry played.


    it’d be different if Curry had a poor series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,056 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    OK. I get you. I initially thought you were liberally using the term "unproven", but I get you. At world cup crunch game level, they are relatively (or completely) unproven. Taking that into consideration, I probably underestimated the development opportunity for those players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,017 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Controversial opinion, I think Casey, before his injury, was playing better than JGP.

    I don't think it's controversail at all tbh.

    We know the levels JGP can get to, but I honestly think Casey could push him for the starting jersey this season, such is his level of improvement and performance over the last 12-18 months.

    In any case, he needs to be getting 20-30 mins off the bench here, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Respectfully disagree entirely. VdF outplayed Curry (and pretty much every other backrow bar Morgan in a few stats) in the warm up games. Squidge had a few videos where he talked about work rates and number of minutes between actions, and VdF was massively ahead of Curry.

    Farrell made his choice and it worked out, but to not give VdF one single minute in a test was an absolute slap in the face, and a farce based on actual performances on tour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I think it could be a pretty frustrating game for Ireland this weekend with the returning Lions players being undercooked and Goodman's clunky attack. I don't think you can expect the players to make up the deficit of attacking smarts with Ringrose at 13 and van der Flier at openside. They'll probably be bashing it up ineffectively all game. I'd say NZ's defence will handle that all day.

    Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.

    I wonder will Ahern make the XXIII. I think he'd be a good pick - as the bench lock, with Ryan and Henderson starting and Beirne at 6.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,372 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Farrell was staying true to his own selection policy and philosophy. He knows what he wants on the pitch and backs the players to perform when it matters. It's what has led to such success for Ireland.

    Tadhg Beirne didn't start the tour well either yet ended up as player of the series. James Ryan wasn't great in the warm ups yet was selected for the second test and had an excellent 20 minutes cameo off the bench and was rewarded with a starting berth for the third test.

    Post edited by Clegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    2024 TEAM v NZ:

    Ireland: Hugo Keenan; Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Andrew Porter, Rónan Kelleher, Finlay Bealham; Joe McCarthy, James Ryan; Tadhg Beirne, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (capt).

    Replacements: Rob Herring, Cian Healy, Tom O'Toole, Iain Henderson, Peter O'Mahony, Conor Murray, Ciarán Frawley, Jamie Osborne.

    8 Players will not play from last years game.

    2025 TEAM Predication:

    I think Farrell will go with a 6-2 Bench split. Frawley on the bench.

    Ireland: Jamie Osborne; Tommy O'Brien, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Andrew Porter, Dan Sheehan, Tadhg Furlong; Tadhg Beirne, James Ryan; Ryan Baird, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (capt).

    Replacements: Rónan Kelleher, Jack Boyle, Finlay Bealham, Iain Henderson, Jack Conan, Cian Prendergast, Craig Casey, Ciarán Frawley.

    The team will be named Thursday 1pm Irish time

    I would have liked to have seen:

    Ireland: Jimmy O'Brien; Tommy O'Brien, Garry Ringrose, Jamie Osborne, James Lowe; Jack Crowley, Jamison Gibson-Park; Jack Boyle, Dan Sheehan, Thomas Clarkson; Tadhg Beirne, James Ryan; Cian Prendergast, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris (capt).

    Replacements: Rónan Kelleher, Andrew Porter, Tadhg Furlong, Ryan Baird, Thomas Ahern or Nick Timoney, Craig Casey, Sam Prendergast, Stuart McCloskey or Tom Farrell. (Hugh Gavin!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Bookies at this stage have NZ by 5. Can’t argue with that. We can’t be any worse than we were last time we played them anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Am I the only one who thinks Farrell will start Prendergast at 10? He's shown that he's loyal to a fault and I don't think the Leinster/Munster game will be enough to change his opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,056 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Finger In the air and pulling stats from my h0le, I'd say 60:40 in Crowley's favour

    6:2 bench split might mean start Prendergast and have Crowley on the bench to cover 15 and 12 in an emergency. Otherwise start Crowley and have Frawley on the bench and no Prendergast.

    5-3 split leave more scope.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    90/10 Crowley starts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Well it won't be a shock to many if he does stick with Sam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,986 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    99:1 Crowley Starts

    70:30 6-2

    100% Prefer 5-3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,017 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Before the start of the season, I didn't see any other outcome other than Prendergast at 10 come Chicago, but with the way their respective seasons' have gone, I think Crowley has forced Farrell's hand here. I think he nearly has to start him.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I doubt you're the only one, but I'd be pretty shocked.

    Edit: to expound. Those that he has shown loyalty to have generally done something to earn it and I don't see how Prendergast has done that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It's quite a testament to how things have evolved and where the expectations are for Irish rugby now, that even when our form has been relatively poor and there are question marks around our match sharpness at a minimum, we are still only 5 point underdogs going in to face the All Blacks.

    I'm not confident about the game at all tbh, just feel it's come at the wrong time in the calendar for us. Molecast talked about this recently, that the IRFU are using the window where we were ranked #1 in the world to really cash in and play the biggest teams during these November windows to maximise revenues, but it arguably doesn't always set us up as well as it could outside of the revenue benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Is there a separate Ireland A thread?

    I can't see it.

    here's the Spanish Squad

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Don't need a general one. Match thread later in week when teams are named.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Yago Fernandez, a centre in that squad, played a few games for Terenure in AIL over the last couple of seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    A reason not to start SP is Jordie Barrett knows his game inside out and in particular his faults, at times he could be seen coaching SP when he was at Leinster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    if i had to put money on either of them starting itd be SP. I dont think he should but i can see it happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭50HX


    Benching SP means you have one of your subs who only covers one position.

    Benching Crowley means you have a player that will cover definitely 2 at a push 3 positions.

    I suspect for the nxt 4 games we will see starts split equally between the 2 no 10's.

    After that its whoever has grabbed the jersey to nail a more permanent starting role.

    If SP doesn't start v NZ then he simply must start v SA otherwise its not learning the most about him esp if a pack is on the back foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I wouldn't be surprised, the unknowable is that Crowley has been playing very well which isn't something we'd have said at any stage last season, he played ok maybe, but not as much daylight as we've seen this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Don't mind who plays 10 but really hope we don't go 6-2.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Completely agree. It’s never a black and white call although some people would like to portray it as that with regards the two of them.

    Crowley wasn't playing particularly well last year but has been very good so far this year. Prendergast on the other hand looks like he’s having a bit of second season syndrome after some very good performances last year. I thought he deserved the shirt last year in the 6N but I’d definitely pick Crowley on current form. It could all be reversed come 6N time depending on how the next few months go but isn’t that what we want in every position on the pitch?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Whose the backup to Keenan at Leinster. Is it Osbourne or one of the O'Brien lads? If it's one of the brothers then why are people picking Osbourne at full back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I remember watching Crowley play at Franklin's Gardens in January and he was brilliant. He was the single reason why Munster stayed in that game (which they ultimately lost). So to me he had rediscovered his form just as the 6Ns came round again, but by then the die was cast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,377 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Brothers??

    Osbourne started at full back in his first four test games.

    Jamie is the most valid option there currently.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ersatz


    The O Briens aren't brothers, the Osbornes are (I think).



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